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What is the difference between creating something “truly new” and creating a “derivative work”?
Are you saying that anything that fulfills the same statistical interrelationships as the training set, is therefore a derivative of the training set?
Like if I asked the thing “What happens when I place a basketball on a table then lift one side of the table?” its answer is some derivative of other scenarios involving tilting tables with basketballs on them?
Or is it using knowledge of how “round” works, that “round” things “roll”, that “rolling” tends to go “downward”, that things reaching the edge of a platform then “fall”, etc?
These are statistically inferred relationships between words, but at a certain point recombining elements into new compositions is creation and not derivative work.
It’s like saying that Chopin made derivative work based on Beethoven because he heard Beethoven’s music and learned about beautiful note patterns from it.
What’s an example of a person inventing a new concept, that an LLM can’t do?
The academic name for the field is quite literally "machine learning".
You are incorrect that these systems are unable to create/be creative, you are correct that creativity != consciousness (which is an extremely poorly defined concept to begin with ...) and you are partially correct about how the underlying statistical models work. What you're missing is that by defining a probabilistic model to objects you can "think"/"be creative" because these models dont need to see a "blue hexagonal strawberry" in order to think about what that may mean and imagine what it looks like.
I would recommend this paper for further reading into the topic and would like to point out you are again correct that existing AI systems are far from human levels on the proposed challenges, but inarguably able to "think", "learn" and "creatively" solve those proposed problems.
The person you're responding to isn't trying to pick a fight they're trying to help show you that you have bought whole cloth into a logical fallacy and are being extremely defensive about it to your own detriment.
That's nothing to be embarrassed about, the "LLMs can't be creative because nothing is original, so everything is a derivative work" is a dedicated propaganda effort to further expand copyright and capital consolidation.
Then that puts me at a disadvantage because I don’t know what you’re trying to say.
It’s good at automating basic things, it can really help be a tool but it’s extremely lacking and while it will lead us to new places, I think it will go hand in hand with how we regulate and evolve alongside it.