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It's not irrelevant. They're saying that the people you hold up as some kind of supremely enlightened few of a special era, were in fact products of their time who believed in a lot of silly things with no basis in science/reality, and committed many atrocities themselves.
I was a die-hard libertarian when I was 18. Then I learned a lot more about how the government actually functions. The more you know, the more painfully obvious it becomes that, not only is democratic government extremely necessary to support a civilization of our size, but also that uncoordinated government is literally impossible at scale. Try to lead a group of 20+ people in any activity and the importance of coordinated leadership will become evident very quickly.
Are you sure about that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_and_mass_media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States#Public_opinion
Then why is the government you're a part of, and the society you're a part of, continuing to perpetuate rape, torture and murder?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_and_mass_media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States#Public_opinion
The government you're a part of, and the society you're a part of, continues to perpetuate rape, torture and murder, despite on paper being illegal and, in polite company, being generally considered unacceptable - as shown by the links previously posted, which detail instances of state-sanctioned torture, murder, societal misogyny, et cetera. That's my point.
No.. I'm not. Governing people and leading people are the same thing. I'm referencing doing it at two different scales. As you go up in scale, the rules change. Things like authoritarianism, socialism, libertarianism and communism work for small groups of people, but not when you start getting into populations in the millions.
Where do you think Jefferson's Black descendents come from? Who do you think paid the bounties for scalps? Germ theory wasn't invented yet, they didn't know why beer was safe to drink or why they needed to bathe. Settlers thought it was strange how the natives would strip naked and bathe in rivers - so uncivilized! Unlike Europeans, who would bathe as little as possible as to preserve their modesty.
All of this is easily looked up.
Your idols were evil morons. Read a history book.
Literally just spreading grade-school level misinfo because you never progressed past that level of understanding of history, lmao.
Ah yes, the independent thought and nuance of repeating the propaganda fed to you by your own government. You're such a free thinker!
I recommend reading Lies My Teacher Told Me. Then, when you finish that, A People's History of the United States.
But I doubt you've ever read even one history book that wasn't assigned to you by a teacher.
lmao, imagine seriously recommending either.
Try reading these "I'm 14 and this is deep" pop-history books to get on my level.
I can't help but notice you didn't deny it.
I literally gave you books as citations.
But you don't read books, so I'll give you Wikipedia.
Jefferson has Black descendents and had a Black "mistress" who was, in actuality, his slave. Her name was Sarah Hemings.
During the Revolution, the Sullivan Expedition was ordered by George Washington to wipe out Iroquois villages that sided with the British. Scalping was widely practiced.
Bathing letting in bad airs is known as miasma theory. It was widely practiced all across Europe, from peasants to merchants to royalty. Tribes like the Wampanoag noted how fucking nasty they all smelled.
No Wikipedia for this one, but https://www.grunge.com/591432/the-staggering-amount-of-alcohol-the-founding-fathers-drank/
Now, how about you learn some history?
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You say "even they" as if it justifies your beliefs, because they agree with you. Libertarianism grew from their classical liberalism. So what? Their ideas were shit.
They didn't trust the government because they were rich people and didn't want a democratic check on their own personal power.
“If true” hooooooly shit you just live in a different reality, huh.