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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Sometimes people provide a public service to humanity is very dark ways. Do not turn this guy in.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Further, legality should not be considered a measure of justice. The best thing to do is often illegal. Laws are made by politicians, and politicians are overwhelmingly representing the owning class, not typical people, so the utopian idea that laws are fair is completely ignorant of the real legal and political system defining them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (7 children)

The murderer of that innocent man needs to be brought to justice.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You mean the man who's company let sick people die by denying proper healthcare, all for the sake of profits? That innocent man? Do not turn this guy in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If he’s guilty of a crime, why didn’t you sue him?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's not how the system work. How old are you?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's the system Americans want, based on their voting behavior.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

No it isn't. Neither major party has used their power to fix this system. Both have had ample opportunity in the many past decades.

Due to the dominance of the FPTP system's spoiler effect and of the two-party system, we can't reasonably expect a mass shift to third parties. Therefore, of the two viable parties, neither will change the system. No realistic voting behavior indicates support of the broken system - if anything the lowering voter turnout is a general indication that they don't support the system.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Do you really believe you can win against an army of lawyers paid with an absurd amount of money? Not only that but what the CEO did is legal... is just inhumane

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Because crimes should be handled in a criminal court case with real consequences, not a civil case. But that's not likely to happen.

So if someone did sue them, and against all odds they won, and the money they received somehow properly compensated for their loss (i.e. a loved ones preventable death), then the company that extracts billions of dollars from Americans every year would lose a couple million. The company would be unaffected and have no meaningful consequences for their willfully unethical behavior. We'd have to have thousands of successful lawsuits to have meaningful consequences.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

By your logic everyone who works any job deserves to die. Your logic is not logical.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's not implied by their logic at all. Not every person is in a position of power like this CEO was, the majority of people don't have a job that denies people necessary healthcare, and many people will not make the choice to be unethical like this CEO chose.

I understand, and disagree with, the argument that vigilante justice is completely uncalled for but you're not doing your argument justice here

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Murder is not justified for someone working a job people don't like.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If someone's job is to cause death and suffering and they profit from it then yeah maybe they should face the same.

Calling what this guy did for a living "just a job" is absurd.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not his job to cause death. It was his job to run a company.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A company where the stated objective was to prioritize profit at the cost of human life. That's a job to cause death.

The people working for that company are not likely to be in a position to quit over ethical issues, as they are trying to feed their families, but the CEO of that company made decisions that directly impacted other people lives and likely killed many. If he didn't want to deny claims for care, he could have resigned. Instead, he profited.

His job was to cause death. As is the job of all for-profit health care companies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

You could say the same thing about a manager at McDonald's. They don't deserve to die.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (14 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

That's obviously not their logic. This is hilarious to read.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would have agreed if u would have said murderer of that man saying he is innocent just make you seem ignorant of the meaning of that word.

The strapping young man deserves the same justice as the marine from Seal Team six who killed Osama.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

America is more united on the Adjuster doing his work than Obama doing Osama tbh

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

In a perfect world, where all criminals white or blue are brought to justice under the same hammer, you would have a point and my heart.

But the world is not just; you know that, I know that, they know that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

that 'innocent man' killed thousands of people for profit. Fuck off with your Disney cartoon ass morality.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you say this when people die as result of his profit seeking?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Do people who work at any company and get murdered should have their killers celebrated? It's the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

that's the hot part... it aint...

wage slave is not the same thing as an officer of a coporation, if you ever worked for a corporation, you would know this.

They get nice office, jets, they don't have to really work. They build relationships.

The working people you know... work.

how naive are you?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yo bro are you a ceo? Are you related to the dude that got got? Your hard on for “justice” for the ceo is really weird

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I'm just into morality. Murder is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Do the smart thing, instead of arguing with people who think premeditated homicide can be justified just take advantage of these posts to block those people. Lemmy doesn't have that big of a community so if you actually take the time to block them you'll see a lot less of extremist brainwashed people in your feed

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

people who think premeditated homicide can be justified

This is, evidently, a common mainstream view. If we lived in a world where the legal system actually worked and was a viable option for dealing with them non-violently, perhaps this view wouldn't be popular, but the working class can't afford to pretend the system is fair. Just like citizens defending against a military invasion, sometimes homicide is the only effective action left to try.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I have been blocking people. There's so many people to block.

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