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Well they did a good job convincing the public that the person holding the gun isn't responsible for what happens with said gun, considering the down votes. Happened last time I said he needs to be punished for what he did.
Gun safety is only important if you're not rich/famous/ an actor
Yeah, keanu reeves is a dick for pointing guns at everyone in John Wick. He should practice gun safety and always point the barrel down whenever he's doing a scene. /s
Its sort of absurd to expect baldwin to not trust his weapon specialist, aside from the fact that fucking with blanks after a "professional" has loaded the weapon can and will result in death regardless of what happened in this situation.
Just tell us you hate guns and are ignorant of on-set heirarchy.
Alec wasn't filming at the time. Keanu went through actual training to handle firearms on screen which I think should be the minimum. The fact that Keanu made 4 movies in that series without killing anyone proves it can be done safely. In the circumstances of filming I would be unreasonable to expect every one of the 4 rules to be followed at all times, but breaking every single one of those rules all at once should not happen. The bare minimum that Alec can and should've done is inspect the gun to see if it's loaded, and that it's loaded with "safe" rounds. I mean that's the first thing I do!
Also I own several guns, try not to make assumptions.
You can own several guns. But have you worked on any films?
There is a long list of things that should not have happened on that set. But I don't think Alec should have been charged. His role of producer has little to do with that too, unless he was specifically involved in the hiring and firing of employees. It's not like he was the sole producer. Those responsibilities weren't his.
It really isn't, though.
Insurance doesn't allow actors to adjust weaponry on set.
Cool thing is that he wasn't just an actor on set, he was a producer as well. Which entails more responsibility.
Considering she was head armorer and assistant armorer in other movies, im not sure why he would think she wasnt a qualified individual.
Its not like he hired a random person on the street.
So Insurance contract supercedes gun safety handling?
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On a movie set, yes.
The people who are licensed and insured to ensure gun safety are the ones responsible for it.
Im not sure why you're hellbent on making it seem like all of the rules for gun safety on set werent followed.
I am telling you that a person handling a gun is responsible for that gun, this is gun ownership 101 and it doesn't get overridden but by contract law or set hierarchy.
The only reason this argument worked here is because prosecutor decided so, full stop
People can make up their own minds why tje prosecutor do this for a rich "influencer" lol
Quick hypothetical.
If every actor on set messed with the blanks they were given do you think there would be more gun related deaths on the set of a movie, or less?
Keep in mind there have only been two deaths since 1993, brandon lee and this incident.
We are discussing legal liability both personally and head guy on set.
Alec fucked on both levels.
What facts you are trying to inject here are second or third order operation tonthe discussion of alecs Liability
There should be some sort of trial, with a judge, prosecutors, and defense for this so we can get to the bottom of it.
It was announced by an AD.
What is the first rule of handling a weapon dear?
Which rules are more important set "hierarchy" or gun safety?
Asking for a friend dear
What are you even talking about? You seriously think people in movies shouldn't be pointing guns at each other for a scene? How many westerns have been made with no problems whatsoever? This was the fault of an incompotent armoror on set.
"Sorry director, I can't point a gun at someone for this scene cuz gun safety is more important." Lol.
Nobody said that... You made that up.
But if you play with guns, it is your responsibility not to kill anyone
This is gun safety 101.
Any adult person knows this, anyone who doesn't has no business touching a weapon.
Gun safety 101 is you never, under any circumstances, point your gun at something you don’t intend to kill. So yes, you are absolutely saying that actors shouldn’t be pointing guns at other actors.
Is this supposed to be a flex?
If this rule was followed the vicitm would alive...
Or they could like check the weapon before playing with it... Second best option if you really going to be playing with weapons
How could that possibly be a flex? If this rule was followed movies wouldn’t have guns. If this is what you are arguing then that’s fine. But if guns are in movies, they will be pointed at other humans.
Also, people in this same thread have told you why untrained actors should NOT be fiddling with guns. You’d rather be ignorant and ignore everyone for some strange reason.
Untrained people should not be touching guns, period. This common sense 101
And I told them that person handling a weapon is responsible for the weapon, being an actor doesn't remove this liability unless you are rich it seems
So just say you don’t think guns should be in movies. That’s a valid argument. What you are trying to say is stupid.
I don't think amateurs should be killing people on set.
I made my position clear.
Nobody thinks that. You are deliberately being ignorant.
You only have a hard on for punishing Baldwin because you hate guns and rich people.
Movie stunts are FAR more unsafe than gun use in movies, yet I have a feeling you aren’t advocating to rid stunts from movies.
I don't think that rich man have the right to mishandle fire arms and walk away from basic gun safety duties. This being dropped on Christmas eve is a classic PR stunt, and prosecutor is in on it.
You clearly disagree, there is enough air for both on planet earth. That's what is called an impasse and that is totally ok;)
That’s not what happened but ok lol let’s call it an impasse.
You said that my man. Where on earth did you learn that gun safety 101 is "don't kill anyone"? Lol.
Gun safety 101 is don't point one at something unless you intend to shoot it.
The rules that have been put into place after the death of brandon lee which have resulted in the deaths of only 2 people since 1993.
Those rules.
Do these rules supercede the law?
Who hired the armor and how is the head guy on the set?
Let's say i hired someone to build a house for me.
The house ostensibly looks fine and seems sturdy.
I invite my friends over, and they come inside the house.
I walk outside to move some trash and shut the door.
Shutting the door causes the house to collapse, killing everyone inside.
Am i responsible for my friends deaths? I did kill them by knocking down my house after all.
Guns are subject to special handling rules because their intent is to kill people.
Analogies here are red herring
Guns are made to kill people and anyone whp handles huns is held to the highest standard of care on the personal level. This is not something you can contract away unless you are a regime whore of certain level like Alex
Ah got it, this is just your personal venedetta against alec baldwin.
Weird.
Wrong... This is about systemic injustice this case exposes.
But nice try dear;)
Which systemic injustice is that?
Rich people getting away with killing the poors.
How exactly did he "get away" with it. What legal trickery did he use?
Now do mob bosses and realize how flawed your logic is.
Responsibilityto handle guns safely is not something that can waived with an employment arrangement.
But Hollywood LARPers love their regime whores too much to give a fuck. I bet these are the same clowsn are who want "gun control"
Pathetic Caricatures of a citizen
No major gun incidents for decades in the film industry! Since Brendon lee. Alec made the first major fuckup since then and killed someone with a live round and Noone sees anything wrong with that.
I'm not saying other people didn't fuck up and deserve punishment aka the armorer, but Alec also deserves to answer for it
Exactly, but corruption within justice system prevented any accountability.
Another microcosm of how US regime operates.
Two tier justice system and plebs like it as is 🤡