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"Well, I also was good at finding faults in anyone who were trying to improve some things and attack them for not improving all things."
"Have you considered that it just wasn't thrilling enough for me to vote against literal fascism?"
I'm still not sure what was the reason not to vote the lesser of two weevils here. Some hope that if you show Democrats by not voting them they'll do the things those people have been calling for? I'd fear they'll just think of those people as unreliable voters and will just try to get the votes from those who do vote.
Pretty risky move in any case, with Trump being the other alternative.
A part was something in the vein of "voting doesn't work, bring back the guillotines". I think they're called "accelerationists" due to the belief that the current state of affairs can't be fixed and only by violent revolution can society be rebuilt (in their imagine).
So, some people wanted Trump to win in order to have everything fail and justify blowing shit up.
Somehow I think pretty much all of those people are going to do jack and shit. Being a revolutionary is hardcore and I can respect that but only posting memes online is some Reddit ass slacktivism.
Being a revolutionary means you are willing to die for your cause. Ain't none of those wannabes willing to die for anything. As long as they have their steam deck.
They just to cry to their mommies and expect the world to cater to their every want and whim. Life doesn't work like that and never has.
Accelerationism refers to the idea of intentionally making capitalism the worst version of itself so that people have to revolt. It doesn't work; it makes everything worse without accomplishing the end goal. Generally, the people making these arguments aren't coming right out and saying they're accelerationists, but they get there indirectly.
People won't bring the revolution just because things are bad. You need class consciousness first.
Idealism on the part of the true believers and not the Russian bots. I prefer realism but they are ultimately right, if everyone refused to support evil in any form it wouldn't exist.
The problem being the average American loves the taste of boot so it's not that it might not work, eventually, it's that the world is out of time.
Absolutely hate the people who would sell out my child’s future over some holy war in the desert held by idiots—I mean religious zealots—terrorizing each other. They’re both wrong, don’t sell us out over it.
It's comments like these that make non-americans like me pray for the fall of the American Empire. Seriously, you people don't even see the people you murder overseas as human.
I don’t murder anyone. I don’t support either side of that conflict. I don’t like religious people very much. I’d cut support for Israel with the snap of my fingers if I could.
You look at a genocide being committed by your government that you support and say "I hate people who would oppose it"
Because they’re fine with us living in an authoritarian state (that is even less friendly to Palestine, btw) for the sake of it.
You had a better chance of stopping or slowing it if you didn’t let the other side take over our entire government, now Israel has a full pass. Your strategy backfired and made America worse for it.
Sometimes you have to know how to pick and choose your battles. Just like Oct 7 was a cowardly and incredibly stupid move of you truly wanted to end the apartheid state. Murdering people at a music festival was stupid. Maybe if you had fought the IDF in an actual war declared for independence you would’ve have a shit ton more support globally
See what I mean? You American's are absurdly selfish; you're fine committing genocide so long as you don't have to live in an "authoritarian state" (I would argue that a state that is committing genocide regardless of how the people vote is already authoritarian, but as I said, you don't consider foreigners humans)
Naturally a genocidal American like you thinks Palestinians should never fight back and just meekly be destroyed. You also disprove your own point by demonstrating that no matter what they do, you'll always believe the propaganda from Israel: like how you think October 7th was just "Murdering people at a music festival", when it involved attacking multiple military bases and killed hundreds of IDF soldiers (ending up with a far better civilian to soldier ratio than Israel ever does.)
In general, American's have made it clear that they will never stop killing us by the thousands, and that the only thing that will end it is the collapse of your empire, so in that regard, I welcome anything that destabilizes the USA, and I'm certainly not going to feel sympathy for genocidal Americans getting a taste of what they do to us.
Too many Lemmyites didn't vote hard enough. That's why every single state in the country trended Republican in 2024. You fucking idiots on a 4th rate social media site ruined things for everyone.
Your argument would be better if the most powerful factions that oppose it weren't genocidal themselves.
Whataboutism
When you think about it, this is really the fault of the Iranians for not submitting quietly to the Shah in 1979.
Everything after that was completely outside anyone's control.
This is too subtle for most of your audience. You really gotta crank it up to Verhoeven to be understood, and even then…
Not at all what that means but good try, you'll be a debate bro yet.
God you people are scum.
Reee only scum would support genocidal zealots! No not my genocidal zealots! How dare you point out my blatant hypocrisy!
Least incoherent genocide supporter.
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I'm praying with you. But prayer will only get us so far.
Idk, that seems like a pretty shit take to me. It's not the voting choice I made, but I can see where people are coming from. It's not just the US selling arms to hostile occupiers, it's running around with the Cheney's and the general abandonment of the working and middle class.
Those NICU babies bombed by the IDF shouldn't have joined Hamas.
Did they pay you extra for this hot take, hasbara?
not each other. western countries esp the us are the ones provoking and arming them for decades. not just in the middle east either.