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Is it? Do you think the US was founded as a democracy?
God, shut up nerd, like your red fascist bullshit and their one party elections were or are better. Do you want to hear that it's a flawed system? It is. All states are and should be abolished.
Still a type of democracy, and still more democratic than anything Russia or China have ever managed.
The United States was founded as a white supremacist settler-colony. This shit is the same as calling Israel a democracy.
How come the US can be "flawed" but China is "red fascist"? The US is white fascist. You want to talk about fascism? The US's prison population is higher than either the USSR was or China is, and under Trump it's going to get worse! Where's the democracy for the millions of undocumented workers that the US relies on to run its economy, that the US is gearing up to round up by the millions into prison camps? Where's their democracy? Where's the democracy for the hundreds of thousands of child brides and child laborers all across the US? Half a million children pick almost a quarter of the food currently produced in the United States. They pay taxes, are forced to give birth, but they can't vote.
Trump didn't even get 50% of the vote, and now he's in charge of everything. "Democracy"
We have to accept that the US is not democratic; it's reformed fascism, and those reforms are in danger right now. If you ever want the US to be a democracy you need to recognize this and protect the democratic reforms we have.
I agree with at least 95% of what you just said.
Uhhh yeah. The Constitution establishes a federal democratic republic form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot.
It's democracy when only white men are allowed to choose representatives? What?
It's settler-colonialism. Fascism. Where was the democracy for the Natives? Or the slaves? The original system has had many democratic reforms, but denying its roots as fundamentally undemocratic is historical revisionism and blinds you to the US's flaws. You'll never fix this country's problems if you can't even recognize this.
Bro I'm native, I know! I think it's a piece of shit also but it could be worse. I'm also trying to rage against the machine.
It can always be worse! How come you can acknowledge that it's shit, but you can't acknowledge that it's fundamentally undemocratic? Where's the disconnect here? The US was not founded as a democracy, it was founded as a white supremacist settler-colony. Today it's had many democratic reforms, and that's good! But we have to acknowledge these root problems.
Has it had enough reforms to be called a democracy? Trump got less than 50% of the vote and he's been elected twice!
If you want to be technical a true democracy is mathematically impossible. Also Donald won the popular vote this time. Don't waste 4 years of your life chasing conspiracy theories like the right has and clinging to a fantasy that the loser actually won. I wish things were different but that's how it went.
He didn't get a majority of the votes. Less than 50%. That should mean something.
In a race with more than 2 people it shouldn't be uncommon to have less than 50% of the overall vote and still win. I don't understand the point you're trying to make. In this race he got the most votes compared to the other candidates.
Many countries use variations of runoff voting, where if no candidate gets a majority then the top two candidates move on to a second round and the other candidates are eliminated. This is actually the most popular way to run elections worldwide.
I'm aware but even assuming all of the non trump votes would go to Kamala, she still wouldn't have won in this case.
He got less than 50% of the vote. If you add all the non Trump votes together you get more than 50% of the vote.
Roughly 50.1% but that's still assuming none of these people would've switched to trump and this is how US elections work. Based on how things work Donald won the popular vote with less than 50%. I'm not saying it's the best way but it's also not like we suddenly switched up the rules. I assure you that I'm just as mad as you are about the system we have but when I look around no one honestly wants to do anything but complain about the way things are instead of being the change they expect to see. A president isn't going to fix our problems. If people cared more about taking back the power and less about consuming we might see some real change. The only thing that matters in this country is money and despite all the complaints we just can't seem to stop giving the ass holes running the show more of our money in one form or another.
That's not assuming none switched to Trump, merely that most switched to Harris. I think having such a close runoff race would also be likely to change how people voted more broadly. Turnout would be through the roof if everyone felt like their one vote would be the one that swung the election. It's really hard to say what the results would have been.
And we'll never know because this shithole country doesn't do runoff elections.
Yes, and it's bad. I'm saying the way US elections work is undemocratic. They are designed from the ground-up to favor the ruling class and suppress the will of the People. They are meant to be undemocratic. This was all intentional.
I get all of that. I'm saying a president (in this case Kamala) isn't going to fix this. No flavor of voting will fix our problems imo.
And I'm saying that, because voting in the US doesn't actually determine policy, we shouldn't call it democracy.
Then I think we agree for the most part.