I'm 92% sure this is a bit
Like a pet, lol
In normal discussions, simple mistakes like confusing the Wikipedia page for "Elections in the Soviet Union" with the page for "Soviet Democracy" merits some grace, especially because I have been exceedingly patient with you. Again, I'm only being patient with you because I understand that you feel caught out and alone, that's why you're jumping for screengrabs for the drama communities you mod while talking to 3-5 people at the same time. It isn't really a healthy thing to do.
As for the "lack of democracy," no, it's definitely been affirmed as a somewhat flawed, but working democratic system. The Soviet Union was the world's first socialist state, it broke new ground and stumbled along the way, but that doesn't make it "fascist" or those who supported it so. Same with trying to pile on a bunch of new topics to discuss, hoping one of them lands. It's desparate.
I don't see how I reject everything Marx stood for. You've admitted to not being a Marxist yourself, what makes you an authority on Marxism? My opinions are largely in line with the overwhelming majority of Marxists, I'm a Marxist-Leninist that holds a fairly standard Marxist-Leninist view.
You keep misusing the word "fascist" and genocide. You have no sources but Wikipedia links, and you've again been at this for hours. For your sake I'm disengaging here, this just isn't worth it for anyone, and I recommend you do so as well. You obviously don't care about anything I have to say, and I don't really take your insults seriously as I know they hold no water, so that's it.
I legitimately do feel a bit bad for you, you're getting called out on a thread here and it looks like everyone is dogpiling on you, but being this abrasive and bad-faith is only making it worse. I really don't think my point of Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan being mentioned on an adjacent page as a source is a bad thing on my part, and you're right, the Cold War has resulted in tons of blurry sources that can make it difficult to tell what's real and what isn't.
Helpfully, the Soviet archives were opened, and contemporary historians have been able to make great progress on clarifying a lot of debated topics, and Pat Sloan's account has survived that and been affirmed.
I don't really think you're mean, per se, just crashing out and lashing out. I don't take any of your insults seriously, just like I wouldn't a Flat Earther. You haven't presented any new information, and keep resorting to calling a Marxist a "fascist." It's historically and categorically false to lump Marxism in with fascism, it obscures the fundamental ties to capitalism fascism has, and the history of anticommunism in every existing fascist movement.
Again, I recommend taking a break.
Reference 35 on the Wikipedia page for Soviet Democracy
Other historians like Robert W. Thurston argue, while the top of the soviet system became largely bureaucratic, the local levels of society remained largely participatory.[34] He writes "while sane, calm, and sober, no worker would have dared to say that socialism was a poor system or that Stalin was an idiot" but then goes on to argue that these bounds still allowed for citizens to have meaningful participation on their immediate situation and this local participation meant "ultimately relatively little was controlled by the government or party decree".[34]
This is supported by some historical accounts. For example, in Pat Sloan's historical account of participating in a Soviet election, he wrote:[35]
I have, while working in the Soviet Union, participated in an election. I, too, had a right to vote, as I was a working member of the community, and nationality and citizenship are no bar to electoral rights. The procedure was extremely simple. A general meeting of all the workers in our organisation was called. by the trade union committee, candidates were discussed, and a vote was taken by show of hands. Anybody present had the right to propose a candidate, and the one who was elected was not personally a member of the Party. In considering the claims of the candidates their past activities were discussed, they themselves had to answer questions as to their qualifications, anybody could express an opinion, for or against them, and the basis of all the discussion was: What justification had the candidates to represent their comrades on the local Soviet?
It isn't the exact same Wikipedia page, to be charitable to you, but again I don't see why you immediately jump to insults rather than asking for clarification. We both know I'm a communist, we both know I've read these pages, we both know I've read beyond them. Just drop the insults, step away for a moment, and breathe. You're fine.
I recommend you read Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan, an American who visited the USSR in the 30s, participated in its elections, and documented the electoral process. There's also this article that gives a brief overview of how they functioned. It even has this neat diagram:
I'm not sure what purpose you fulfill in just linking me a Wikipedia page we both know I've already read. The Wikipedia article even mentions Pat Sloan's work as a source, so it should be good reading for you.
Finally, again, fascism is a bourgeois system fundamentally reliant on private property rights over the large firms and key industries. It's capitalism using its full toolset in times of crisis to stick together. Communists are not fascists, we support collectivization of production and economic planning to better fulfil people's needs.
I again recommend stepping away from the keyboard, you're just crashing out at this point and willy-nilly calling leftists "fascists."
Lmao, you and I both know that isn't how democracy works in the PRC and it isn't how it worked in the Soviet Union. You should also be aware of the historical tie fascism has with anticommunism. You're just doing word salad now, please just do yourself a favor and take a break for a few days or something. You've been all over this thread.
Nah, the PRC is democratic, and so was the USSR. Both are examples of socialism in the real world. I really don't know what you're trying to do here, I think you need to step away from the keyboard for a bit because you seem to have been here for hours now.
Don't really follow, are you just saying that because I'm opinionated and like to talk about Marxism, I'm the same kind of shit-stirrer that constantly posts memes trying to provoke a response, and mods a bunch of drama communities specifically about snooping on people for screengrabs? I can't say I agree.
I pretty plainly admit to focusing on correcting misinterpretations of Marxism and Marxism-Leninism, I spend very little time power posting, and I don't own and moderate drama communities. I also don't downvote troll people, or stalk them and post about them on drama comms.
I'm certainly opinionated, and have my own political views I don't shy away from, but I think it's pretty clear that this is a fundamentally different situation.
Unsurprising, that user is a power-poster and power-mod that constantly tries to shit-stir. Figured it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.
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