As if having good morals leads to a pleasant living environment.

Unfortunately, not all of our states are safe. While the population centers are mostly ok, there are plenty of places that are not safe. I had an acquaintance (gay) describe Eastern Washington as "fine as long as I don't act too gay".

they're really not, slc has a pretty progressive community but it's in direct opposition to the mormons. they're officially accepting of gay people, but as long as they don't do anything gay. they aren't ok with trans people who transition at all.

utah also recently passed bathroom laws for all govt controlled buildings and schools and there are ones for colleges in the works.

generally mormons will be nice and accepting if they think they can convert you, but that's about as far as it goes

https://www.advocate.com/religion/2018/10/08/mormon-leader-lgbtq-advocacy-comes-satan https://www.advocate.com/religion/2019/10/03/mormon-leader-gender-assigned-birth-eternal

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2024/01/30/utah-transgender-bathroom-ban-goes/

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/transgender/understanding?lang=eng

“Church leaders counsel against elective medical or surgical intervention for the purpose of attempting to transition to the opposite gender of a person’s birth sex (“sex reassignment”). Leaders advise that taking these actions will be cause for Church membership restrictions.

Leaders also counsel against social transitioning. A social transition includes changing dress or grooming, or changing a name or pronouns, to present oneself as other than his or her birth sex. Leaders advise that those who socially transition will experience some Church membership restrictions for the duration of this transition.

This reminds me very much of the "hate the sin, not the sinner" that never actually happened.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/same-gender-attraction

Let us be clear: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that ‘the experience of same-sex attraction is a complex reality for many people. The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is.

Mormons are not at all tolerant. Just because they aren't calling for the death of LGBT people, and are still willing to take their tithes, doesn't make them tolerant.

No, no, no, no, no. I moved to Utah five years ago and this is absolutely not the case and I'm not even LGBTQ. A couple of vignettes:

Exhibit A.

Exhibit B: I had a workplace procure a costume for me. They didn't like my lack of Mormon Jesus. This was a prominent finance firm in SLC.

You got gaslit

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/The-Trevor-Project-2022-National-Survey-on-LGBTQ-Youth-Mental-Health-by-State-Utah.pdf

Utah teen lgbtqia+ suicide rate is very high. I've got a friend who is a therapist out there and i do not envy them. The Mormon church tries to say that they love and accept everyone but if you push them they will clarify they can love someone but they hate the sin. Ask yourself, how can you love someone when you can't accept a fundamental part of them? If you practice your gayness/etc you will be treated differently by Mormon church standards. You will lose out on church privileges and be ostracized.

Mormons tend to be nice ... to your face. As soon as you leave they're likely to act like you'd expect followers of an extremely socially conservative, regressive, patriarchal religion would.

And I'm not saying all Mormons are like that -- there are good people that are mormons, but it's in spite of what the church teaches about gender, sexuality, and sin.

I too watched that Half as Interesting/Wendover productions video, that's not what it said. In fact he explicitly said that's not what he's saying.

Yea this may be the case for some mormons, maybe, but they as a whole are not very tolerant at all. We had a mormon in our school who was very vocal about his dislike about a couple where one was trans. He pretended to be a nice guy, but his views were gross when they came bubbling to the surface.

I dont buy that mormons are a tolerant group for a second.

Lmao, good one. 🤣 The Mormons contributed over three-quarters of the funding to get Prop 8 passed in California.

https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2008/10/the-mormon-money-behind-proposition-8/209748/

Christianity is all about being tolerant actually. Its just that most Christians dont care

We watched the same video probably.

Yeah this map would have much smaller areas. If you broke it down into safe counties or something

I only learned about this maybe a year ago, so I'm linking a source, in case anyone else missed this horrific part of history.

The Arizona GOP is batshit insane and they're slowly losing their grip on the state because of it. The only reason Sinema was there to block the federal minimum wage law was because she ran a very progressive campaign. (And the state held a grudge so hard she's not even trying for another term) Katie Hobbs is governor now and Adrian Fontes is the SoS. They aren't going to swing back anytime soon and those insane bills are not going to make it past the governor's veto.

That said, just like anywhere in the west, be aware that much of the rural area is fueling that radical GOP branch. But Phoenix metro area, Tucson metro area, Flagstaff, Camp Verde, Winslow, Prescott, and Williams were fine when I live there ~5 years ago. Except Sedona. Everyone wants to go to Sedona to see the red rocks. You will be seeing them from your car in the eternal traffic jam that is Sedona. Go to the Grand Canyon instead, it's better anyways.

Fine or not it's still nice to not have a government that might take away more of your rights every other day.

NH is a “Live free or die” kind of state….dying seems to be what they are doing these days because they sure as fuck are not living free….

Culinary wastelands? Cajun/Creole cuisine is some of the best this country offers. Barbecue. Fried chicken. Come on now.

Shit, I'm as lucky as they come, straight white male, and I don't want to visit any of the missing states, except for Savannah, Georgia, which is just a nice time.

Upstate NY probably not so Trans friendly either, but always gets lumped in with NYC. It's really a wasteland outside of maybe the finger lakes region. Saratoga/Lake George are all right too.

Yeah no... They have bathroom bills that require you to have appropriate sex change documents. It's one of the spots bathroom gestapo check your papers. Also trans care for youth has been banned and 4 anti trans bills have passed in the 1st quarter of 2024...Utah ain't safe gov'ner.