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Listening to a recent episode of the Solarpunk Presents podcast reminded me the importance of consistently calling out cryptocurrency as a wasteful scam. The podcast hosts fail to do that, and because bad actors will continue to try to push crypto, we must condemn it with equal persistence.

Solarpunks must be skeptical of anyone saying it’s important to buy something, like a Tesla, or buy in, with cryptocurrency. Capitalists want nothing more than to co-opt radical movements, neutralizing them, to sell products.

People shilling crypto will tell you it decentralizes power. So that’s a lie, but solarpunks who believe it may be fooled into investing in this Ponzi scheme that burns more energy than some countries. Crypto will centralize power in billionaires, increasing their wealth and decreasing their accountability. That’s why Space Karen Elon Musk pushes crypto. The freer the market, the faster it devolves to monopoly. Rather than decentralizing anything, crypto would steer us toward a Bladerunner dystopia with its all-powerful Tyrell corporation.

Promoting crypto on a solarpunk podcast would be unforgivable. That’s not quite what happens on S5E1 “Let’s Talk Tech.” The hosts seem to understand crypto has no part in a solarpunk future or its prefigurative present. But they don’t come out and say that, adopting a tone of impartiality. At best, I would call this disingenuous. And it reeks of the both-sides-ism that corporate media used to paralyze climate action discourse for decades.

Crypto is not “appropriate tech,” and discussing it without any clarity is inappropriate.

Update for episode 5.3: In a case of hyper hypocrisy, they caution against accepting superficial solutions---things that appear utopian but really reinforce inequality and accelerate the climate crisis---while doing exactly that by talking up cryptocurrency.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Use this as an opportunity to clear house, you've got a bunch of nazis revealing themselves here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (16 children)
  1. Who are you to define solarpunk? It's fine to disallow talk of crypto in the sub but I don't know that any individual or group has the right to define solarpunk at this point.

  2. Many coins are indeed scams, and many NFTs are scams. This does not mean the underlying technology is a scam. Many scams use the dollar. Somehow we have to get from here to there, from an exploitative unsustainable capitalist world to a solarpunk world. This will almost certainly mean many years in a state of transition where money of some sort will still be needed. Crypto currencies could be a tool on the path, I don't know but I'm not ready to throw out a whole technology because of some scams. In fact, it's usefulness for scams might actually be a sign of it's utility, just like cash.

  3. Fiat currencies also take massive amounts of power, and they are exclusively controlled by the bad guys. Banks have racks of servers and/or use cloud services, financial exchanges also run racks of servers and build microwave towers for fast communication.

  4. I know this one will sound incredulous to most, but have you considered that those with billions invested in the current system spend money to influence communities like ours and social media to make something that could be their kryptonite have a bad reputation? Isn't odd how the anti-crypto crowd is so uneducated on the topic and yet so rabidly against it? Why would people interested in changing the balance of power not have interest in a tool that has potential there?

Maybe crypto is not strictly solarpunk but that doesn't mean that it cannot be a useful tool in the transition away from capitalist control to solarpunk.

Those against crypto, how do you propose we get to a solarpunk world from here? What is the path? What are the tools?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

So you propose we move from one fiat I can hold in my hand to a different fiat that I can no longer hold in my hand. You propose we move from having bad guys we know controlling the system to change to bad guys we don't know controlling the system (see mystery whales).

There is no viable use case for crypto that has not already been solved by other, less power hungry, means.

And if you think the big banks, venture capitalists, and private equity don't have disproportionate influence on crypto, something is very wrong.

"Solarpunk is an art movement that depicts nature and technology in harmony, and is also a subgenre of speculative fiction, fashion, and activism. The term was coined in 2008, and aims to tackle climate change, galvanize the community, and deploy existing technologies for the greater good of people and the planet. Solarpunk aesthetics include: Renewable energy Technology that disappears into the environment Lush green communities with roof top gardens Floating villages Clean energy transport Hope-filled sci-fi tales"

I'm not saying crypto talk should be explicitly banned here, but should at least be limited to the context in which it is applicable to the topic.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's Cypher punk, not Cyber punk. Ones a movie genre about swords and dystopian tech, ones a decentralized trustless protocol powered by encryption

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Crypto is Fecespunk

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago
  • “But they don’t come out and say that, adopting a tone of impartiality.”

  • “… nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’” —Isaac Asimov

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