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I don’t blame them. Ukraine needs to take the war to Russia to win.

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[–] [email protected] 180 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As an American, I support Ukraine droning inside Russia. Fuck up their power plants, oil production, and bases! I believe most Americans would agree that in war, this tactic is fair game.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

Power plants are not valid military targets though. No one should be attacking those and it's always wrong to do so.

Edit: I posted this comment and immediately went to bed. After waking up and looking at responses, I'm absolutely disgusted with people justifying and approving war crimes. Attacking civilian infrastructure like power plants is a WAR CRIME and that's why it's a huge deal that Russia has been attacking power plants. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Edit 2: alright, time for links since people seem unconvinced. Both the ICC and the UN consider the attacks by Russia on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure to be war crimes. If it's wrong for Russia to do, it's wrong for everyone to do.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, Russia already lost the right to say Ukraine shouldn't be hitting their power plants.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If Russia started using VX gas, would it be acceptable for Ukraine to start using Sarin? Absolutely fucking not. There is never a legitimate excuse for a war crime.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

~~Power plants are~~ Ukraine is not a valid military target though. No one should be attacking ~~those~~ it and it's always wrong to do so.

FTFY

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Maybe. But destroying the Russian dictatorship is a moral obligation for everyone in the free world.

All Russian infrastructure and assets are valid targets. Both inside and outside of Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Power plants are not valid military targets though.

Yes apples are not oranges, so why are you trying to change the subject?
AFAIK there is not a single example of Ukraine attacking power plants in Russia.
An oil depot or refinery is NOT a powerplant. Russia has more than enough oil to serve their population, but maybe they can't serve the military 100% too, if Russia chooses to prioritize their illegal military invasion over their own population, that's a Russian problem. As long as Russia prioritize oil for their military, oil is a valid military target.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buddy, I can smell the straw from here. Ukraine isn't attacking Russia's critical infrastructure out of some need for retribution. If a grizzly bear attacks you, you hit that thing in any sensitive spot you can reach until it backs off. Otherwise you're dead. That's the situation Ukraine has been in from the start. They've been persistently outgunned and outmanned. The only way to get Russia to stop is to hit them where it hurts.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Citation needed

Civilian infrastructure can in fact a valid target if it assist the military. Electricity generation is used to maintain many military systems, including telecommunications, logistics, lighting, radar systems, and all sorts of manufacturing capability that assists the military.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

At least Ukraine is not doing it in the middle of winter, unlike Russia.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's morally wrong to do so. At the end of the day, like every single other war in the human history sadly , the right side is the winning one, be It bombing power plants, hospitals or houses.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Power plants are not valid military targets though

Sure they are. You’d make a terrible military leader.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

this is a fake story, there haven't been any "warnings".. it's pure propaganda being shoveled by the Russians..

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why would the USA expect Ukraine to listen to them when Israel gets more aid & regularly lies to the USA with 0 repercussions?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel doesn’t get more aid. Unless you consider total aid since 1946 adjusted for inflation, then yes, but that wouldn’t make sense. Israel gets 3.3 billion a year. Since February 2022, the United States has allocated $113.4 billion in emergency funding to support Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

'They don't get more money unless you count all the money'

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Israel gets more aid

Israel probably hasn't gotten more aid in the last 2 years but overall they might have. Also, assuming this is even true, why would Ukraine listen to the US since they have abandoned support of Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They are fighting in the fucking defensive war. What fucking logic is that? They should even cross the Russian border if needed.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

What warnings? Last I heard the very deliberate language was that the US "Did not encourage" strikes inside Russian territory. Has that language escalated?

Can't read the article due to the torrent of pop ups unfortunately because I'm very interested to know the basis of the headline.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The article is paywalled anyway.

The basis for the title is that Ukraine is still hitting targets in Russia. Honestly, I don't believe the US was serious about their comments opposing those strikes. US oil companies will just make more profits after all.

I believe the argument was that it would raise global oil prices but that wouldn't make sense unless Russia is doing a better job of bypassing sanctions than we know about. There have been rumblings of Russia using intermediate countries to move oil and other resources, so there is that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

And note the source. It’s basically an industry rag.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

last section of the document

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It just seems super vague to me. It says that they are ignoring the advice to call off the strikes, but there's nothing in there from an official or anything about what exactly they are being advised. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it doesn't seem definitive at all as to what's being communicated.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Ukraine should only consider the comments of countries sending money and weapons.

When the US starts to send money again, then the US can comment.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't they just approve an aid package this morning?

In addition to the 80 billion they've already sent?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It went through the house, it is not yet approved. And for 8 months now, Ukraine has gotten no support from the US.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How about this: we’re allowed to tell them how to run their war as long as we supply them an uninterrupted pipeline of the shit they need to win it the way they’re telling us to.

Oh wait: we already tried that, except we not only didn’t even do it well, but also didn’t hold up our end of the bargain because of fucking fascist far-right politicians. So we kinda fucked that one up, didn’t we?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stop posting paywalled articles

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hope Ukraine wins and takes a cut of Russian territory as compensation.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

alas, i am afraid that even if ukraine is able to restore its territorial integrity, most of russian citizens won't understand that their government did something wrong. russia won't ever be humiliated like nazi germany, to force people to think what they did wrong.

i am afraid of newer russian revanshionism and i am afraid of what their post imperial phantom pains will make them do in the future.

my impression is that majority of the russian citizens feel pain regarding the 'lost lands' as they often put it, as a result of ussr collapse.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Nazi Germany was “humiliated “ because they were occupied and force to learn of their crimes.

Russia cant must be allowed to get off Scot free for this shit. They need to be dismantled to nullify future harm, and forced to confront and acknowledge their crimes.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Good. Fuck russia.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

As they should, I hope they somehow take out Putin

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