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This issue really evokes my emotions, because of how much I love sports. I think sports are a vitally important part of the human experience. I guess dance is, too, but we're not talking about dance, in and of itself.

Dance isn't a sport. Period. Ever. Nobody can change my mind about this. Dance is potentially expressive, beautiful, socially useful, entertaining, etc. But it IS NOT A FUCKING SPORT.

Only sports should be in the goddamned Olympics, and shoving non-sports into the mix is shameful and disgusting. It's a wad of spit in the face of every great athlete who has ever taken the field. It's a disgrace to the Ancient Greek tradition that the Olympics are attempting to continue.

I don't give a fuck that there are already competitions for breakdancing. Or ballroom dancing. People can hold competitions for whatever they want. I actually think competitions shouldn't be held for entirely subjective and artistic activities, but people can do whatever the fuck they want.

But not in the fucking Olympics. This shit makes me sick.

And before you start pointing out the other subjective, judged events that are already in the Olympics: THEY SHOULD ALL BE REMOVED, TOO. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. NONE OF THEM BELONG.

No more gymnastics (rhythmic or otherwise). No more figure skating and ice dancing. No more skateboarding. No more surfing. No more synchronized swimming. No more freestyle skiing. No more diving. No more BMX. No more ANYTHING that requires judging.

You might browbeat me into admitting that some of those subjectively judged activities are sports, but you will never convince me that they belong in the Olympics.

Olympic sports should be restricted to those which are determined by means of a clock, a measuring tape, the accumulation of OBJECTIVELY scored points, or a physical beating.

Even some of those should be on the chopping block. Some of the points-scoring events are too subjective. If a sport relies too much on fallible human judging, it should be excluded.

The vast majority of the events should be arbitrated only by the cold, merciless, absolute judgment of the clock or the measuring tape. Therein lies the truest purity of sport.

Honestly, the best thing to do would be to reset everything to the REAL tradition of the Olympics. Almost nothing, other than running, jumping, and fighting. With an absolute minimum of rules to get in the way, and all the athletes competing in the nude. Just sandals on their feet. No space-age materials to help anyone. Nothing for anyone to hide. Just human muscle and determination, on display at the greatest possible level.

But it's all a forlorn dream. Instead, we have to have our stomachs turned, as a bunch of revolting little shitheads wobble and headspin.

The ancient Olympians are going to be spinning in their fucking graves.

EDIT: YES, I AM AWARE THAT THE FIRST COUPLE MODERN OLYMPICS FEATURED NON-SPORT ACTIVITIES, LIKE SCULPTURE AND PAINTING. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE MY VIEW. INCLUDING ART IN THE MODERN OLYMPICS WAS A RIDICULOUS MISTAKE. JUST BECAUSE IT WAS DONE BEFORE DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE DONE NOW.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Username does NOT check out.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Also, saying gymnastics don't belong in the Olympics is not just an unpopular opinion, it's crazy talk.

Like, in what world does one say that Simone Biles is not an Olympian.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Honestly it never has, this dude has some of the worst takes and will never walk away from even a mild disagreement

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah, I've seen them around Lemmy a few times and they're always freaking out about something they're angrily wrong about 😄

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love this thread. Chill Dude tell us more of your opinions we need content

[–] ChillDude69 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, that IS the purpose of the Unpopular Opinion community, right?

I'm not doing anything weird. I'm just doing it right.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've posted multiple essay length unpopular opinions here before.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I'm reading through them now its amazing. Nothing political so far, nothing bad, just very strong opinions on relatively innocuous things and he's managing to make so many people angry... He's like an artist

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

I kinda love how mad you are about this

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s a disgrace to the Ancient Greek tradition that the Olympics are attempting to continue.

JUST BECAUSE IT WAS DONE BEFORE DOESN’T MEAN IT SHOULD BE DONE NOW.

That's a contradiction. Also, the ancient greeks didn't have the concept of sport were super into dancing - spartans especially - so this whole argument is void.

I'm sorry that something you say you enjoy (the olympics) makes you so angry.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Just wait till he finds out that the ancient Greeks didn't have a winter Olympics

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

First of all well done at posting an unpopular opinion. Are you aware how much you've contradicted yourself?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I think all sports have more subjectivity than you are admitting. How often have you heard someone yell at an umpire or referee seen as unfair?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What if we measured who could breakdance the furthest.

[–] ChillDude69 8 points 1 year ago

Oh, shit. Now we're talking. The 10,000 meter headspin would legitimately be the greatest distance race of all time. It would probably have a non-zero fatality rate, but that's not my problem.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herald_and_Trumpet_contest

In the 96th Olympiad (396 BC), beside the athletic and artistic competitions, the Herald and Trumpet contest was added, which was already a formal element of the Olympic ritual performed by the kerykes (heralds) and salpinktai (trumpeters). Winners were chosen by the clarity of the enunciation and the audibility of their voice or horn blast.

Also breakdancing is awesome. Hope they add beatboxing soon.

[–] ChillDude69 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Then I guess the whole thing was a forlorn dream, for a huge portion of its history.

There was always a mirage on the horizon, where we ALMOST had a true celebration of athletes. But it was always in the process of being diluted and degenerated by sick-minded morons.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too bad there isn't a melodrama event- you'd be a gold medal contender ;)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Whew, this left spittle on my screen from the sheer, unhinged rage of the typing :)

Legit though, solid unpopular opinion!

But dude, gymnastics is a core sport going back to the minoans. And there were trumpet competitions back in the older Olympiads. Trumpet champions existed, and were determined by judges.

Hate to break it to you, but as much as I also dislike subjective sports competition, the Olympians of old would not be spinning in their graved.

Now, I agree that there has to be some limit to what is and isn't an actual Olympic event. And I'm not a big fan of judged events in general; they should be demonstrations, performances rather than competitions because they'd be better that way, you'd see cooler shit being done by peak human athletes.

But you might as well insist that only men compete if you're going to try and use the pan Hellenic games as your standard.

My Olympic pet peeve is about how damn hard it is to find coverage of most individual sports. You might get lucky here and there seeing highlights of archery or biathlon, or stuff like judo. But they'll show entire soccer matches without cutting away for anything but commercials. That's infuriating to me. I'd rather watch hours of break dancing because it's at least about the athleticism of the competitors rather than some team where even the best individuals get over shadowed.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (12 children)

This is a very thorough and well thought out post.

I couldn't disagree with it more regarding the modern olympics (I think there's a lot of value in subjectivity judged sports as well as objectively judged), but I respect your reasoning, and would love to see a revival of the ancient olympics like you propose. So why not both? Keep the modern commercial games their own thing (because at this point there's too much money in it for anyone to stop it) but bring back the traditional Greek games.

Completely separate thought: which category does boxing fall into? Matches are often won through points given by judges. Actually that's the same with wrestling, a traditional olympic event.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally I wouldn't mind the Olympics going back to being an excuse to watch oiled up naked muscley guys do things like in ancient Greece. But I do think dance would go really well with that.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Good unpopular opinion! I'm skeptical the modern games/organization would survive if you tossed the judged events out though. And a quick search shows there were a few subjective events in ancient games, too. Maybe there's another organization with competitions that suit your interests better?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

In the comments, you talk a lot about judges. So, baseball should be banned too, right? Since balls and strikes are a human call? And of course, they have to call people safe or out, sometimes determine if a ball actually left the park, etc.

And basketball, would every shot be worth the same number of points, since we don’t have judges to say whether someone was behind the 3 point line?

And any sports would be a free-for-all with no penalties? Since judges make those calls, right? Sure, you can call them umpires or refs, but they are still judges.

And fighting would require a complete knockout to win? What if someone lays down and pretends because they don’t want to fight any more? Who makes that call? You need to objectively knockout (or maybe you want killing?) to win. I’m just confused as to how that works without a judge.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

You do you, man, but I feel like getting this het up over a competition you'll never be involved in, have any control over, or be forced to watch, is kind of a waste of lifespan. Are you happier for it? Healthier? Wealthier? Kinda seems like it's just burning more than one second off your life per second for no benefit.

Also, tradition is just peer pressure from dead people, and they told me in school not to give in to peer pressure. We didn't have breakdancing as an event, and now we do. The only constant is change.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are multiple Olympic sports that are essentially forms of acrobatic dance. Figure skating, the gymnastics floor exercise and rhythm gymnastics come to mind

[–] ChillDude69 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So you didn't read my post AT ALL??? I mentioned that shit.

No subjectively judged activity should be in the Olympics. Period. No exceptions.

Doesn't matter how long any subjectively judged event has been in there, it was a mistake the whole time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (11 children)

It appears that you don't understand how scoring works in those events. Maybe you should start there.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I agree with this opinion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mentioned fighting as acceptable, but boxing has judges?

[–] ChillDude69 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have a MAJOR problem with the complexity of modern judged boxing. It should be judged exactly the way the ancients did. Just watch for illicit weapons, biting, kicking, or gouging.

The truly ideal fight sport should be the Pankration, but people are WAY too soft to have that shit, at this point. So compromises have to be made.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Who determines whether it was a bite or an accidental touch of my teeth on your shoulder?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, the *best* thing to do would be to reset everything to the REAL tradition of the Olympics. Almost nothing, other than running, jumping, and fighting. With an absolute minimum of rules to get in the way, and all the athletes competing in the nude. Just sandals on their feet.

OK I’m listening

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Ok, boomer 🤣🖕🏽

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Couple of questions… Why does it matter to you that some people consider it a sport? Does the very idea being contrary to your opinion, make the sports you consider as such any less sports? The first antique olympics had horse racing. Where does shooting, curling, archery, golf, equestrian, etc, fit in this definition? If no, why does dance bother you so much all of a sudden, and why not as much anger towards them?

What’s that “Ancient Greek tradition” you seem to want to protect the purity of, and why does or should it matter? There’s been events that were added, tested out, and many removed subsequently, throughout the olympics’ history. It’s not the first time some event doesn’t make unanimity as far as everyone liking the event. Some people threw a hissy fit when snowboarding and later skateboarding were included, for example. Who gets to decide if an event fits in there? Is the practice of trying it out and reevaluating next olympics that terrible?

It’s not like modern olympics are some sacred and pure untouchable event underlining human performance for the sake of it. Unless you've avoided the subject on purpose, which would be surprising considering your position here, the CIO itself isn’t made out of saints doing it all for the love of sports either…

[–] ChillDude69 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

horse racing

There's no problem with horse racing. It is judged by the clock. It is objective.

shooting, curling, archery, golf, equestrian, etc

As I said in my post I WANT ALL THE SUBJECTIVELY JUDGED EVENTS OUT. NOT JUST THE DANCE-RELATED ONES. That means a lot of the team sports, too, because many of them have FAR too many finnicky, subjectively-interpreted rules.

I think the Olympics should only include sports arbitrated by THE CLOCK or THE MEASURING TAPE or THE LAST OPPONENT LEFT STANDING.

Did you not read any of this in my post? Did you really just read the title?

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