I’m just tryna vote for the lesser, by far, of two evils. It’s a fucking binary system, you can stomp your feet all you want and still get a genocide and possibly much worse, or you can at least preserve hope for a better future.
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Lesser of two evils works when we're talking about blocking universal healthcare or police reform. When you use that bullshit to justify pulling the lever for genocide, you just don't care that much about genocide.
And when you use that justification to enable someone who's going to increase support of that genocide what does that make you? Sure sounds like you're supporting more genocide than a Biden voter is.
It's like people forgot how many Americans died during the height of the pandemic because T**** is a fucking idiot.
Anyone who is even remotely near the crosshairs of the Christofascists needs to pull their head out of their ass and vote Democrat this election.
The Republicunts don't care if you think "both sides are bad" if you're LGBTQ+, atheist, non-Christian, think abortion should be freely available, etc.
Ideals and principles don't stop bullets or beatings.
Hey, how about you just work with us this time and then here in four years we will pretend to care about what you wanna do.
That seems to be the Democrat playbook anymore
Oh suck rocks. There's one party that does try to pass legislation that helps people, that is better for the environment, better allocations of spending priorities, and generally aren't fucking cartoon villains.
And it ain't the Republicans.
Being mad that things weren't done the way we Think They Should Be(tm) and dismissing the realization that geopolitics is an extremely complex system is childish. Throwing temper tantrums, threatening to take your toys and go home because you didn't get your way is childish.
There are many factions to appease in the US electorate, particularly on the left. And while I personally feel like Israel should have been cut off decades ago which may have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, there are a lot more who feel differently. Am I going to hold that against the group that aligns with the majority of my aspirations even if they are stymied by christofacists at every turn? FUCK NO.
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Run for something locally.
Do something about it.
Which is exactly why you shouldn't be just tuning in every 4 years. Local elections, primaries, etc. People only pay attention every 4 years. That's part of the reason why we're here.
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It's reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally simple:
Voting Biden in gives us time to take all this energy we're mustering up and using it to promote broader, more significant changes. We don't stop at the election and instead use the next four years to push toward a better tomorrow.
Too many people are stopping at Trump v. Biden. Too many more are stopping at Them v "The System".
Change takes time. When you vote for Biden, you vote to reset the clock, and then it's time for all of us to get to work.
Can you explain how you expect to push for a better tomorrow after Biden is re-elected?
The reason I am reluctant to vote for Biden is that he is supporting genocide. If Biden continues to give away large quantities of child-exploding bombs, and he is still rewarded with reelection, then what leverage will the anti-genocide movement have left?
It seems like if Biden can ignore the anti-genocide movement and still win, then we can expect Biden to keep ignoring for 4 more years.
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Same but in the mean time I'm going to continue to donate and help push for progressives and those who keep fighting to get rid of the bullshit first past the post voting system and electoral college bullshit.
Hope for whom? A better future for whom? If personal selfishness outweighs the value of humanity, then we’ve already lost, and the outcome of the election is irrelevant.
for whom?
The gay and trans people who won't get murdered? The women who won't die in abortive childbirth?
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Glad to see the goldfish memory of voters who missed what happened the last 4 times this has happened. I'm sure it'll fix it this time and isn't just a recurring right-wing strategy to alienate voters on the left with propaganda.
They can't remember further back than the last media cycle, and the can't think forward further than a week.
I guarantee at least some, likely all of these people were fucking pissed about the death of Roe. They learned nothing. Absolutely nothing.
You know what's worse than denial of the right to choose? Genocide. That's what we got for electing Joe Biden last time. Fool me once, etc, etc.
... completely ignoring the only other option was "even more genocide than that". We didn't get genocide because we elected Joe Biden. We got genocide because right wingers in Israel want to conduct a genocide. Removing Biden from the equation and replacing him with Trump does not improve the situation. Doing that would be the actual foolish move.
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You have the intellect of a 14 year old.
it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do?
If you fear him, why would you not assist in preventing his rise?
If you give a shit about Palestine, why would you not support the better candidate for them? You think Trump will do anything to make this situation better?
The logical fallacy at play here is so glaring I can't believe these journalists are willing to put their name to it.
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I mean... If your goal is to end a genocide and you help get a guy who said "finish the job" elected, yeah, it is your fault.
Let us not pretend otherwise.
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What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected.
If Trump is elected, I will blame both Biden AND the protest voter.
But not the people who chose someone supporting genocidal actions instead of the people demanding better.
It’s this simple, if all of y’all who spend your time trying to convince those of us who don’t want to support sending Israel all the weaponry they want, while defending them against the consequences of their own actions, while using our money to do so, and having Israel use $13b a year of our money to do so, would instead work with us, we could actually make a change:
And if at the end of the day that causes us to lose, it means that America is full of people who support this and they should get their way.
At least we find out where we really stand.
You guys spend all day trying to drag us to the side of “ Okay with sending bombs to kill more children.”, maybe you could drag people to the side of “Let’s not send more bombs to kill kids:”
I know which side I am staying on, and if we get outvoted, such is democracy.
People demanding better is not a side, and thus cannot win. The let's not bomb kids side has zero power. Your choice is between bombing kids and bombing more kids. Enabling the bombing more kids side means your fake morals outweigh the sloppy real-world political situation that actually exists.
Your house is on fire. You are standing equidistant from a full petrol can and a bucket of water, and you're deciding not to act because neither is the perfect solution.
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If you would otherwise vote for donald; go ahead and do the protest vote.
yeah thats what we are saying.
and if both options mean genocide (or one is only less bad about it, whatever that means) them its time to reconsider if you truly live in a democracy
US democracy is weak. With first past the post voting, a two party system is inevitable. But not voting Biden because he is "genocidal" is the dumbest excuse ever.
Fight to change the voting system, but don't fight it by getting a literal fascist elected. Because that's what you are responsible for if you don't vote.
What's dumb is putting "genocidal" in scare quotes and acting like genocide is not actually that big of a deal. I won't vote for Biden or Trump because I value my vote too much to give it to an evil scumbag, red or blue. I'll vote for Jill Stein or Cornel West.
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It won't be the protest voters fault of Trump is elected but it would be something they could have prevented. Four more years of radical conservative judge appointments would create generations of degradation of women and minority group rights.
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No it's going to be their fault. If we lose Social Security, Medicare, public schooling, basically every social safety net, any regulatory power the government has, and a right to free and fair elections then that will absolutely be on them. They've said that those things don't matter to them in this scenario. If you're for the destruction of all that then fuck you. It's pretty simple.
Anyone against voting uncommitted supports genocide, plain and simple. There's no other explanation, Biden doesn't even lose anything from those votes, it just let's him know that his base is pissed about him supporting genocide. Vote uncommitted or for a less zionist candidate, if you don't or you're against this then your position on Gaza is clear. What other reason would there be to oppose that?
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