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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hamas wants a permanent cease-fire. Israel wants a temporary truce.

I suppose having your victims very publically calling out for peace, and actively trying to push for negotiations alongside other countries would "confuse" the narrative that they're supposed to be bloodthirsty animals.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I literally saw an article in the Israeli press talking about: Agreeing to a temporary truce would be a good idea because then we can use the pause to rearm, resupply, and rest, and then resume the killing having netted ourselves some goodwill on the world stage.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Well yeah, that's been Israel's playbook for the last 8 decades of conflict.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The reality is that both Hamas and Israel would do the same in a "permanent cease fire". Hamas famously won't sign a peace treaty with Israel - that's how they became famous internationally in the 90s, by refusing the peace process. For the same reason Netanyahu - and most Israeli leaders - won't sign a proper peace treaty with Hamas. Both want to eradicate the other.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Hamas has already stated they would agree to a permanent peace treaty if a Palestinian state is established.

Ergo only israel is currently in the way of a two state solution.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rumors are that Hamas accepted a temporary ceasefire deal this time with American verbal guarantees that they would not let Israel continue after the 40 days passed.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 year ago (1 children)

article

the weird thing is that Israel's government is being confusing - the ceasefire is meant to be lasting but they have vowed to invade Rafah anyway until Hamas is toppled.

Sounds to me like Netanyahus government wants to trade hostages to appease protesters and voters, and then continue flattening Rafah anyway.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The deal has always been a temporary ceasefire in exchange of hostages.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago

The deal Israel wants, anyway.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, because giving up your only leverage permanently in exchange for what basically amounts to pressing pause on the genocide is SUCH a good deal!

Hamas might be despicable terrorists, but presumably they're not total idiots!

That's the worst deal since the Dutch sold New Amsterdam (now New York) to the English for a bunch of nutmeg! Nutmeg was hella expensive back then 😛

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I'm just going off what it said in the article

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

"Those sons of bitches are only doing everything we asked them to in order to confuse us and make us look bad."

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

While I want this to end as much as most people, a ceasefire is not the same as a peace agreement. North and South Korea have had a ceasefire since before I was born, but they constantly try to scare the world into thinking it could end at any moment, WW2 ended with a peace treaty, and the Nazi regime was officially removed from power as part of the treaty.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Of course it's only a matter of time until israel starts violating the ceasefire as they always do.

But at least Netanyahu will go to jail first.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder if those totally-bias-free media bias checker sites that folks like to use to discount leftwing news sources have reflected on any of NYT's latest propaganda?

lol nope!

Nothing quite says highly factual democratic socialism (center-left) quite like churning out one sided propaganda for an appartiting, genocidal group of ethnofascists.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

"Hamas! No!"

"What? What did I do?"

"Sorry, force of habit."

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These snips of headlines with a little response are nearly always misleading.

This adds nothing to the conversation.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (15 children)

It's crazy how suddenly you guys see Hamas as the good guys all of a sudden. I can tell you about all their atrocities and rapes, but I'll just get hit back with whataboutisms. Even if you point out that there are no good guys in charge in this conflict, people downvote cause they see Hamas as heroes, which is insane.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Can you seriously not understand that people have basic fucking empathy and don't want children to starve? Families to be seperated by bombs?

Yeah, Hamas is awful. The Palestinian people would likely kill me for expressing my gender in a way that is barely safe in the US. I don't fucking care, no culture deserves genocide. That should not be considered a controversial statement.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Iran can't beat us with bombs so they flipped the youth with very simple pr

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When NYT can't properly pluralize a word that already ends with "s" in a headline...

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Well, what does the article say?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

This must be Biden's fault somehow!

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