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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So is Ukraine supposed to micromanage how each piece of equipment is being used based on how each donor country feels about attacking Russia?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes. They sold the equipment under stipulations on how it will be used. If the US just gives Ukraine massive long-range offensive capabilities then Russia will treat that as a declaration of a proxy war and may attack US forces elsewhere. Or escalate in other ways. No one wants a desperate Russia. They want Russia to spend itself to death, again. And die like it did in the cold war.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats just the excuse, Ukraine has not declared war on anyone despite Iran, North Korea and China providing weapons to Russia. Russia just likes to rattle and make noise and the wst constantly walks on egg sells.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We’re too nice. We work hard on making a society in which basic security negotiations aren’t necessary, but the drawback is that we forget how to do that.

We’re too successful in keeping people safe, and now we don’t remember how to deal with monsters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And die like it did in the cold war.

Except it only appeared to die. Ukraine gave up its nukes in the 90s on the belief Russian aggression had “died” in the cold war.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

No, they gave up their nukes for the promise of Ukrainian independence and it was seen as good deal because Moscow still held sole control over all launch sequences.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, yes. I assume a substantial portion of their military budget goes towards coffee and headache medication for the logistics department

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yup. It’s like Vietnam, but instead of the VC in the bushes it’s the Russian army.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds good, but they first need to actually deliver the jets, because this is otherwise pointless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It’s much easier to just say bold shit for PR

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They remember MH17 and are clear on who the enemy is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Except for the whole new largest party being pro putin thing whoops

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

F-16s have so many strings attached that I'm surprised they haven't been literally copied or pirated lol.

They don't like giving AMRAAMs either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Isn't that usually in the discretion of the country that built the fighter? E.g. the US? Usually the US has the final say on whether a fighter they sold to a country can be resold, and I find it weird that they would then allow the Netherlands to do something like that without their approval.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

When the Imperialists take a nuke in their ass they will cry

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well, you did use the word “the” correctly so I’ll give you that