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MOSCOW, June 23 (Reuters) - Russia said on Sunday that the United States was responsible for a Ukrainian attack on the Russian-annexed Crimean peninsula with five U.S.-supplied missiles that killed at least five people including three children and injured 124 more.

The Russian Defence Ministry said four of the U.S.-delivered Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles, equipped with cluster warheads, were shot down by air defence systems and the ammunition of a fifth had detonated in mid-air.

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I know this whole message is preaching to the choir but:

You guys managed to find like the one time in history that US military ordinance killed civilians that unequivocally wasn't our fault, when they were attacking a clearly military target under occupation from a clearly malicious invading force

And you are, predictably, complaining like it's our fault you put the airfield right next to a fucking public beach and then didn't sound any kind of warning that it was under active bombardment and knocked one of the missiles off its military target and it fell on some people

Pack up

Go home

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Russia is also claiming they shot down 4 missiles. Their track record suggests that's unlikely. This whole story reeks of bullshit. Lemme know when literally any other country reports civilian casualties and then I'll care.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if Russian forces went out to the beach after the attack and bombed it themselves, just so they could get this story

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Putin has a history of false flag operations, so it isn't impossible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Seems a lot more plausible than them shooting down 4 missiles, def on-brand too

[–] [email protected] 104 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No Russia is completely responsible, if they hadn't occupied it, Ukraine wouldn't have to fight to get it back. Fuck Russia your rhetoric is stupid. The Russians are the Nazis and Putin will die in a bunker.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago

russia says a lot of things. Oh, and fuck them, btw.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago

The Russian response is purely for their internal consumption.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Go eat a bushel of dicks, Russia.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Russia said....zzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is that the sound of a rattling sabre?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Only because it has fallen to pieces inside the scabbard.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

the only thing inside Russia scabbards is a note that says "IOU 1 sabre - loves and kisses, Russian oligarchs"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Putin can choke a fat syphilitic dick. Arm Ukraine to the teeth and launch an earnest hybrid war against the blyats. Fuck russia.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I know everyone’s here dunking on the hypocrisy of Russia making this complaint and that is valid but it’s still sad this happened and I personally don’t think the US should be distributing cluster munitions which are inherently more dangerous to civilians.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

USA shouldn't be producing/using cluster shells in the first place.

The end doesn't justify the means

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe if Russia wasn't in Crimea, they wouldn't have to worry about getting bombed?

Crazy idea

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I take a piss on russia, but I don't do it on civilians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Russian news sources really can't be trusted, but assuming it is true, it's certainly a tragedy that civilians were hurt. And I wish they hadn't been.

The solution though is for civilians to leave Crimea. They are on illegally seized land, not wholly dissimilar to Israeli settlers. It isn't their fault that their children died of course, but they need to leave the area. Issue is, Russia probably won't let them, because they'd prefer civilian casualties to occur.

It's also kinda rich of Russia to complain about this after they've bombed, killed, and orphaned countless Ukrainian kids. They've even kidnapped some of them. And from what I recall happened in Mariupol, they might've even done ethnic cleansing. It doesn't excuse Russian civilians being killed, but Russia has absolutely no legs to stand on here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In your attempt to piss on Russia, they claim you killed civilians. Piss should no longer be produced, it's too dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I believe the US isn't creating more of these, and they are used in Ukraine because it's their choice to deploy these munitions on their land

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Us basically never uses em anyway. I think they fired less than 100 during the whole GWOT. Ukraine is getting old stock that was going to have to be decommissioned soon. And let's be really real here. They are FUCKING Russia up. One of the first batch wrecked a shitload of helicopters. Subsequent ones have hit other airfields and critical equipment. There's a video of a single missile taking out 3 or 4 S-400s. Catastrophic cook-offs.

I'm not convinced this whole thing isn't bullshit by Russia to turn public opinion against ATACMS just because they've been so effective primarily because they can't fucking intercept them. In the video I mentioned before, their best air defense platforms fired 6 total missiles to intercept ONE and FAILED. This article claims 4 ATACMS shot down. Not a goddamn chance that's true. It's more likely Russia accidentally bombed a civilian area like they have several times already.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah that’s true too, I was kind of focusing on the direct impact here but they don’t have a place in any conflict.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

The US it's never responsable for anything, less if it has to do with war, the US is always a victim.

Just look at the historic speech.