Some context:
After Elmo's venture into posting anime stuff on Twitter, this feels rather tame I guess. Or I'm just too jaded to care about this timeline any longer.
this post was submitted on 01 Jul 2024
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Ew "Difendere la famiglia tradizionale" under a blonde anime girl makes me want to hurl.
I'm pretty sure the anime girl is meant to be her
Yes, sure, that's the implication. But actually they just stole artwork representing the character Mari Ohara from the Love Live series.
It's such a tainting of an unrelated art piece with their inhumane ideology.
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Wait, she refers to herself in the third person? I hate her even more now.
She refers to her drawing in manga style in 3rd person. Doing that in 1st person would be wild.
It's weirder in third person ("a drawing of myself manga-style" is not that weird to say), but regardless, I think the page is actually managed by someone else.
Ah, now I get the point thank you. I thought it was when she speaks of the drawing as 'she', which would be strange in 1st person. TY
I need context
This meme has gone at least a mile over my head
I have become so desensitized to the festering dumpster sludge media that the window treatment shocks me the most in this picture
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That image is absolutely cursed. Don't like it at all.
Please stop framing backward-looking nationalists as conservative. They don't want to conserve civil rights, environmental and protective standards, and other granted at status quo. They want society to go back to the 1930s.
Conservatives never wanted civil rights or environmental protections. What alternate dimension did you drop out of?
As I'm from Germany, our constitution was elaborated by a constituent assembly constisting in the majority of conservatives. It granted and grants a lot of civil rights which are questioned by modern day conservatives, such as the right for asylum or secrecy of mail and telephone. Starting from our first government, led by the conservative party CDU, the politics was also constantly pro-European towards integration. Also our first ministry for environment issues was established by a conservative government in 1986.
This backward-looking stupidity is a phenomenon of the last 30 years. E.g. Franz Josef Strauß, the most conservative politician I can think of, was pro technical innovation. As of today, the state of Bavaria still benefits from decisions made under his government. He would rotate in his grave if he knew how his party has become.
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Conservatives, from the very beginning, were more interested in conserving their own power, while realizing hiding behind the "conserving our traditions" mask will win them a lot, besides using the "my enemy's hypocrisy is a fatal flaw of their character and ideology, my hypocrisy is human nature" tactic ad nauseum.
It would be silly to pretend the word "conservative" isn't widely understood to mean backwards-looking nationalists. But it's equally silly to call fascists conservative when we have a much better word for them.
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Real conservatives: *shows school teacher*
For context schools are ultraconservative social institutions. That's what they were designed to do - preserve knowledge across generations.
All nazis that claim to be conservatives are actually nazis, not conservatives.
Very American of you to not know conservatives from fascists
If there are 9 conservatives and 1 fascist sitting around a table, then there are 10 fascists sitting around that table.
This argument is pretty dumb. If we follow this logic then American liberals are Marxist because American Marxists tend to support the DNC more often than not... But that's obviously not true, and American liberals don't support such an evil ideology.
If we follow the logic in a different route and assume that 9 racists are sitting on a table with a civil rights activist, they're all civil rights activists... But that doesn't sound right, does it?
Let's try another attempt, if 10 world leaders are in a conference somewhere. Of those leaders, 9 are liberals from democratic countries and one is a dictator, does that make all 10 of them dictators? Of course not.
The issue with this type of argument is that it's based on guilt by association, not even that actually, it's more of guilt by proximity. This is a logical fallacy for all the reasons stated in this article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
Let's not bring back guilt by association and doom ourselves back to the dark ages due to virtue signaling and ignorance. People should be looked as individuals and judged for their own beliefs.
False analogy is false. Fascism is not Marxism. In particular, very few Marxists would be willing to murder you for power, but all fascists would.
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There's a difference?
conservatives oppose social progress and want to preserve the status quo, but are happy to fight for that within democratic bounds, more or less. Fascists want to subvert democracy and install a completely new status quo
want to preserve the status quo,
No different than liberals, then.
Fascists want to subvert democracy
All institutionalized political power is violently anti-democratic - it's literally why you are forced to pay for violent paramilitaries to police you and protect the status quo from anything that can be called democratic with a straight face.
Fascists are not unique in that regards.
and install a completely new status quo
The capitalists that funded Hitler and Mussolini into power did not do so because fascists "install a completely new status quo." The CIA didn't fund fascists into power all over the third world during the Cold War because fascists "install a completely new status quo."
They funded fascists into power because fascists protect the status quo. You know... the status quo liberals and conservatives all love so much?
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Fascism is more of an approach than a specific ideology. Its only core value is Strength Through Unity - but to achieve that it needs some populist values to unite the people over - which is how you get different flavors of fascism. The original Fascist Party was using nationalism. Racism is also a popular choice (fascism + racism = Nazism), and it seems like rightist values are more prune to it - but leftist values are not safe either, like we have seen in the USSR which based its fascism around socialism.
Conservatism can be a base for fascism, but like all these other values - it doesn't have to be fascist. The rule is simple:
- If you want The Gays(tm) to just stop - that's regular conservatism.
- If you want a strong leader to "stop" The Gays(tm) - that's fascist conservatism.
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