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Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), one of the world’s largest advanced computer chip manufacturers, continues finding its efforts to get its Arizona facility up and running to be more difficult than it anticipated. The chip maker’s 5nm wafer fab was supposed to go online in 2024 but has faced numerous setbacks and now isn’t expected to begin production until 2025. The trouble the semiconductor has been facing boils down to a key difference between Taiwan and the U.S.: workplace culture. A New York Times report highlights the continuing struggle.

One big problem is that TSMC has been trying to do things the Taiwanese way, even in the U.S. In Taiwan, TSMC is known for extremely rigorous working conditions, including 12-hour work days that extend into the weekends and calling employees into work in the middle of the night for emergencies. TSMC managers in Taiwan are also known to use harsh treatment and threaten workers with being fired for relatively minor failures.

TSMC quickly learned that such practices won’t work in the U.S. Recent reports indicated that the company’s labor force in Arizona is leaving the new plant over these perceived abuses, and TSMC is struggling to fill those vacancies. TSMC is already heavily dependent on employees brought over from Taiwan, with almost half of its current 2,200 employees in Phoenix coming over as Taiwanese transplants.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well hopefully it fails and sells to a not terrible company.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

TSMC is a massive company that makes a huge profit. Almost nobody else in the world can make 5nm chips (intel can but they already are setting up in Ohio).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

AMD, Nvidia, and Apple would have to fail first

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So what happens to Taiwanese manufacturing when their population collapses due to a super low birthrate. They right behind South Korea in lowest TFR.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's happening all over the place. They're either going to have to lean heavily into automation (where possible), and/or accept mass immigration from parts of the world that continue to have a high birth rate – although as we're seeing in a lot of places, that can be a tough sell politically.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

W for workers rights, L for US fab production

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

In Taiwan, TSMC is known for extremely rigorous working conditions, including 12-hour work days that extend into the weekends and calling employees into work in the middle of the night for emergencies. TSMC managers in Taiwan are also known to use harsh treatment and threaten workers with being fired for relatively minor failures.

I'll say this again: we need to seize the means of production.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Important to note that this is Taiwanese culture, not Chinese; Taiwan is much more exacting in the finished product and generally much more attentive to human rights in terms of work culture, so it is not a direct correlation to what happened in the American Factory doc.

Which brings us to what I believe is the more salient point:

TSMC is very Christian and at least their top management likens their research, discoveries and manufacturing progress to faith-based divine revelation.

The symptoms of worker's rights abuse may not be simple disregard for labor rights so much as continued religious fervor.

https://www.wired.com/story/i-saw-the-face-of-god-in-a-tsmc-factory/

Their R&D is scientific, but their motivation, timelines and sheer effort is strongly faith-based, in the mindset that God has allowed them to get this far and will allow them to continue to progress no matter what technological hurdles appear.

Either way, labor rights have to be respected, but I wanted to point out that Taiwan and China are entirely separate countries with different work cultures and there's another pretty important reason why outside workers might be put off by the zealotry with which tsmc focuses on developing cutting edge chip manufacturing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Taiwan is less than 4% Christian. I doubt workers in TSMC are significantly different.

E: 3.9%. source

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

TSMC specifically hires and promotes devout Christians for leadership positions and they say for all positions that Christian belief is important.

It's in the attached article.

TSMC chairman Mark Liu says that "Every scientist must beleieve in God" and about TSMC's work, "God means nature. We are describing the face of nature at TSMC".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

3.9%

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Taiwan

Buddhism is at 35.1%, Taoism at 33%, and atheism at 18.7%.

Needless to say, Christianity is not "Taiwanese culture". They're about as Christian as Germany is Islamic (3.7%).

This article says nothing other than that a few people in high up positions at TSMC are Christian. It doesn't say anything about pushing Christianity onto workers.

And yeah of course Christians say Christianity is important and that they see god in nature. They're Christians.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

It's not really true.

It stems from a couple of their chairmen being Christian and saying "I see god in nature" (something that I imagine all Christians do).

The above user then extrapolated that Taiwan is Christian (they're actually 3.9% Christian lol), that TSMC hires people based on religion, and that the reason TSMC is struggling with their US plant is because Taiwan is too Christian in culture for a 67% Christian country, as opposed to, oh I dunno, the discrepancy in working conditions between the US and Taiwan.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

The CHIPS Act is going well.

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