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Those claiming AI training on copyrighted works is "theft" misunderstand key aspects of copyright law and AI technology. Copyright protects specific expressions of ideas, not the ideas themselves. When AI systems ingest copyrighted works, they're extracting general patterns and concepts - the "Bob Dylan-ness" or "Hemingway-ness" - not copying specific text or images.

This process is akin to how humans learn by reading widely and absorbing styles and techniques, rather than memorizing and reproducing exact passages. The AI discards the original text, keeping only abstract representations in "vector space". When generating new content, the AI isn't recreating copyrighted works, but producing new expressions inspired by the concepts it's learned.

This is fundamentally different from copying a book or song. It's more like the long-standing artistic tradition of being influenced by others' work. The law has always recognized that ideas themselves can't be owned - only particular expressions of them.

Moreover, there's precedent for this kind of use being considered "transformative" and thus fair use. The Google Books project, which scanned millions of books to create a searchable index, was ruled legal despite protests from authors and publishers. AI training is arguably even more transformative.

While it's understandable that creators feel uneasy about this new technology, labeling it "theft" is both legally and technically inaccurate. We may need new ways to support and compensate creators in the AI age, but that doesn't make the current use of copyrighted works for AI training illegal or unethical.

For those interested, this argument is nicely laid out by Damien Riehl in FLOSS Weekly episode 744. https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/744

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[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I personally am down for this punch-up between Alphabet and Sony. Microsoft v. Disney.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Surely it's coming. We have The music publishing cartel vs Suno already.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They are laundering the creative works of humans. That's it. The end. They are laundering machines for art. They should be treated and legislated as such.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The sad news is:

Their argument could fall on fertile ground.

The Usamerican legal system protects a running business. When such a rich and famous corporation argues (and it would be highly paid lawyers arguing) that their business could be in jeopardy, they are going to listen, no matter how ridiculous the reasoning.

In other countries, they just make a judge laughing out loud.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The push to require paying to read content that is shared openly on the web is designed to drive a feasibility wedge between large and small operations.

It means that a small handful of organizations will actually have the funds to be able to buy enough training data, and that all other smaller AI ventures will be illegal.

This is designed to concentrate AI power into a few hands.

Think critically about the narratives being fed to you. AIs must be allowed to read the web, because if they are not then we will have a unipolar AI ecosystem and the future of humanity will be extremely dark.

We need a multipolar AI ecosystem and the only way to do that is to have lots of small players making their own AI.

If we have a multipolar AI ecosystem, then AI will be forced to play nice because of the effects of parity, and therefore AI will develop along a prosocial, negotiating, respectful path.

Unipolar AI will be tyrannical, cruel, and evil. Unipolar AI will be the result of making it illegal to train AI on web content.

Please see past the propagandistic narrative. Today it is OpenAI that is fighting for this right. Tomorrow it will be smaller players. That is a good thing. That is what we want.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The issue here is that the cheese gets consumed for the sandwitch. Knowledge does not lost when it gets passed. Cheese does.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Yes that is the point behind the 'you wouldn't download a car' meme ๐Ÿ™‚

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

except that it can, and regularly does, regurgitate copyrighted works verbatim.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

There are a few problems, tho. 1 2 3 4 5 6

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Counteroffer. We eliminate copyright laws all together. For anyone and everyone.

Let move to a system in which we found the projects before their release. And once released they are available to everyone for free.

Also let's make a system where everyone can work a basic work like 20-30 hours a week and get a living wage and the rest of the time we can just produce art of any kind of thing for free to anyone as we'll already had our needs covered and we won't have the need to monetize every second of out existence.

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