Is it bizarre it doesn't bother me that much about what happens to humanity at this point? Scientists have seen this happening decades ago and have implored companies and governments to make changes, only to land in deaf ears... so in a way, we saw this coming and didn't care. We kinda had it coming. What I really worry for are the innocent animals, fauna, and flora that will definitely be affected by this. It upsets me even just a change in temperature can mean life or death for some species. I just hope we can still slow this down enough for them to be able to adapt too 😥
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I’m sorry you feel that way, but I get where you’re coming from.
Zoom out a little though and it’s consequences are war, famine, and desecration.
If not the human suffering, consider eons long chains of biology that’ll be wiped off the face of the earth as climates shift quicker than their ability to adapt
Oh, for sure. There will be battles for resources that would probably dwindle exponentially. There will be loads of suffering throughout. I've worried so much for years and have made my own contributions to reduce my carbon footprint - recycled and reused as much as I can, not buying a car, among others - and it's so exhausting to keep caring when the main perpetrators get to keep doing it abundantly relatively scot-free. At this point, it's just easier for my own mental health to choose my battles and to choose which one to worry more and hopefully help in that aspect. This is one of the main reasons I've decided to become childfree; it's just cruel to bring life to an uncertain world where the bad guys run rampant.
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Ha. That will be wiped off? We are actively watching a mass extinction occur. It's not going to happen. It already is
I remember watching a clip from “The Network” where Jeff Daniel’s is interviewing an expert on climate change. It was when it was too late - and the expert lore or less said so.
It struck me as prescient - that despite all the warnings we’d be shocked when it came and it was irreversible.
Tbh it came sooner than I expected.
When even Florida is telling you shit is fucked... Shit is FUCKED
It'll be fine. It has all happened before. There was 5x to 10x as much CO2 in the atmosphere when the dinosaurs were alive (2000 to 4000 ppm).
All we need to do is kill off about 7 billion people and have the survivors move to the south pole atleast 300' above sea level.
Not sure if this was sarcasm. On a serious note:
There was 5x to 10x as much CO2 in the atmosphere when the dinosaurs were alive (2000 to 4000 ppm).
Yes, but that is irrelevant. CO2 levels were never so high in the existence of humans. We know for a fact humans could survive without burning coal and oil. We do not know wether our existence is compatible with these unprecedented CO2 levels, but started the experiment nevertheless.
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Remember when Gary Johnson argued that climate change wasn't a big deal because the sun would become a red giant in a few billion years anyway?
You had me with the first half ngl
This is why I'm not having kids.
Same for me. That and being an irresponsible man-child who could probably never handle raising a child.
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But hey the last article I read was a bunch of totally-relatable-super-wealthy-individuals who are just like me, asking why people aren't having kids! Are you telling me the world is actually a hellscape and I've been lied to?
Remember, elections have consequences. While, at least in the US, neither party is perfect, Republicans are actively engaged in climate denial.
Vote accordingly.
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Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what's happening is just the heat trying to normalize. We're not going to end up with 70c at the equator and -30c at the poles. Look at the cretaceous temp, CO2, and fossil records and you'll see that the temp evens out even with CO2 massively higher then today, and you end up with things like temperate rainforest at the south pole. Our real issue and the one we should be actively fighting against (as in actual in-the-street rebellion) is the absolute destruction of the environment. Chemical dumping, strip mining, industrial fishing, industrial agriculture, forever chemicals, microplastics, desertification and deforestation. These things are going to cause ecological collapse and kill almost everyone in the next generation or two, no question about it. We don't have to worry about the heat getting us
Some parts of the world definitely do have to worry about the heat getting them. We've already seen wet bulb temperatures exceeding human habitability in places where millions live, and some recent studies have suggested that in the long run our metric for true human habitability may actually be too wide.
From where I am in the Philippines, it's a huge fucking deal. We've been getting supertyphoons more frequently, more intense and abrupt storms, and if not that, regular temperatures more than 30C°, and our country being an archipelago, is humid AF. We've been getting more crop shortages, more droughts, even constant hours-long water interruptions in the big cities. Not to mention, the huge damages due to those typhoons.
You are right, all these other problems are also really bad. A lot of stuff is happening at the same time. It's hard for me to read about all the shit that is going down and not be able to do anything impactful against these things.
Yeah its really tough and I try to limit my doomscrolling to the amount needed to stay informed. One huge problem with all this is that it effects the most privileged the least, and even the day to day things we can do to feel like we're helping are only really available to those of us with that privilege. Like, I could say "start a vege garden, buy hemp and wool clothes, fix things in your workshop instead of buying new" but yeah, those aren't really options most people can take unless we change the underlying structure of our society first. But then, why don't we try changing society so we can then fix these issues? In the end, it's all part of the class war, and we're losing badly.
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I'm living in a flat, this limits what I can do on my own. But I'm looking into getting some solar panels to put up on the balcony, coupled with a storage battery this should bring down the kW/h I need from an external provider.
In the far future I would like to move out of the city and start producing more of my own food, but prices are just to high right now.
Don't be convinced that by lowering your impact you can make any change. Corporations want you to think that because if the masses think that they are the issue then they can continue what they are doing. The only way we can contribute is if we all get on the streets and protest. If millions of people get out on the streets for an indefinite amount of time, stop working, stop buying things, and demand change then we will get change.
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Weather and even temperature are a bit of a red herring in all this. The extreme weather is caused by the rising temps and feedback loops, but what’s happening is just the heat trying to normalize.
More and more severe extreme weather events are a bad thing, aren't they?
Environmental destruction is bad, yes. But climate change causes a host of major issues (adding ocean acidification to your list). Rising temperatures and extreme weather certainly will cause deaths and trouble long before the heat normalized, if that ever happens.
Bad weather is also expensive AF. There's a reason reinsurers such as MunichRE aren't on the climate change denial train: They see the writing on the wall of not being able to back the insurers you buy your flood insurance from at a price point anyone could afford. If the damages become too high on aggregate, things simply become uninsurable (hence also why states don't require nuclear plants to have insurance but back them themselves but that's another can of hidden subsidy worms).
People are talking about "but investment in climate-friendly technology costs money and we must think of the economy and prosperity" -- motherfucker if you were thinking about prosperity and the economy you wouldn't set us on a path towards cities being destroyed faster than we can build them. Broken window fallacy times a million.
The world failed to take action against climate change, now they're going to be late to take action to the adaptation of civilization to a dangerous environment. Too late to stop climate change, it's time to think about adapting to a new environment.
Humanity can certainly adept to climate change, but these changes will also cause a lot of people to relocate. I’m not sure if society, in the current political climate, can adapt quick enough to be able to deal with the influx of possible climate refugees.
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it seems the interests of the fossil fuel industries are not aligned with the people.
Climate change is one of the biggest reasons I don’t want children. I can’t put blinders on and then feel zero responsibility for dragging them into a hopeless nightmare.
i have kids. i actively worry about how miserable their future may be. i try not to talk about this stuff to them much because i don't want to scare them with it. i don't think there's anything i or they can do (except maybe vote).
i try not to talk about this stuff to them much because i don’t want to scare them with it.
IMO that's exactly the opposite of what you should be doing. Frankly, what we need is for folks to be raising a generation of Greta Thunberg-types.
See also the bit about "weaponized hopelessness" in the Kurzgesagt video mentioned elsewhere in the thread.
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Almost ten years ago, I was in Miami for a conference, and they were pumping water out of the streets back then. I would guess it's not gotten any better.
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