Updates about lemmynsfw.com
While I'm not sure if there's anything that can be done about it, I really don't like that I'm able to see who reported my content. By not having the reporters be anonymous, it leaves a gateway for people to be harassed by others for making completely legitimate reports.
I'm not sure how likely it is that a case like this has happened already, but as the community grows, we're bound to see people who are here in bad faith.
I have been dealing with nonstop reports of non consent. As aparantly unless someone is actively holding a sign saying "I consented to this" signed and dated prior to the interaction it's now rape.
For example this post has been reported for rape:https://lemmynsfw.com/post/101797
And a post continues to be reported for rape becouse "(in the anime) the character depicted would never have consented to this, therefore it's rape"
The default position that everything is rape, unless explicitly stated makes running many types of communities impossible.
This is made worse as other people have pointed out (including me) that 62 percent of women seek out CNC content (including my wife).
I also still struggle with the canonical age limits... link and zelda are only above 18 in one game so I have been consistently responding to reports from the lost woods community sending links to game wikis showing that they are above age. It is also weird to me that 90 percent of anime characters are considered loli regardless of how they are drawn, and that I have to argue that characters like rem are from later seasons as otherwise they would also be banned.
Edit: one other note, some users have also informed me "a school uniform means that it's loli" due to their understanding of the rules
I just lost my really long comment that I had written, so I'll make it quick..
Can the admins please clarify?
I get the reasoning, but I do feel that the rules are Way too strict on artwork (as opposed to pics/video of real people) to an unprecedented level. I'd like to see that reevaluated to be more in line with what other sites that allow NSFW permit - if they were facing legal trouble over that content, then they would ban it too, so I think it's pretty evident that they don't.
In particular this whole concept of establishing a "canon age" for every character and disallowing aged-up art strikes me as much worse than simply disallowing any art that looks underage.
I'd also like some clarity on how broad this goes.
Is captioned-in non-consent dialogue also prohibited? What about live action scenes with actors who are verified 18+ but have no curves and look young? Original art with unspecified age? Monster girls from species that don't even live to 18?
There's a lot there and it's above and beyond virtually anywhere else. If this is part of the idea of broad, temporary restrictions as an attempt to reduce the admin workload, really what it's going to do is create a lot of little fires to stamp out when the focus needs to be on the things that will get the site shut down the fastest (obviously illegal content and DMCA violations). Best to keep it simple, and simple is following established standards. Even if it means allowing content admins personally don't like.
I agree. These rules only increase moderator workload, which really only contributes to burnout when the moderation tools aren't good.
Please don’t allow communities to ban sellers. I think not allowing advertising in the community itself makes sense. I shouldn’t get excluded for having a fan site though! It’s incredibly entitled to expect girls to post nudity with no way to profit off of it. Give the good talent a reason to post on this platform 💘💘💘
I think the admins are trying to take a hands off approach to this overall to allow individual communities to establish the spaces they want. However i just wanted you to know that from the admins ive talked to we do really appreciate content creators and will keep an eye on it. and there have been comments in this post stating "we should ban all only fans creators" which i atleast wouldnt consider, and i havent heard any on the admin team seriously consider it.
If we see alot of communities start banning content creators overall (not just banning advertising, but full on banning posts from people with a paid platform in their bio/etc) we will revisit it, and try to make sure the space is as creator friendly as possible, however to a certain degree i wonder if it will naturally sort itself out as without content creators they arent exactly going to have content to grow yknow ?
Are there coms that are bothering you currently ? (cant promise things will change, but its good for us to pay attention to)
It would be nice if this platform was supportive of consenual creators vs banning them and allowing others to post stolen content. I just wanna have my link 😅
I don’t have any grievances with this platform. I have problems with Reddit and I’m hoping the culture is more consensual here 🫶🫶🫶
Give the good talent a reason to post on this platform
I totally agree with you. OC/seller talent is always welcomed at communities I moderate (with the exception of ones that are strictly studios/sites focused).
IMO, Reddit (and the subreddits I mod) benefited so much from the creative sellers.
I appreciate that 💘 On Reddit, some mods banned me for having a link in my bio on my own page. That seemed over the top to me.
I fully support your right to promote and make a living with your content. But there must be the possibility for people to create coms exclusively for exhibitionists that like to post for the thrill of it. These people has as much right to have a platform as you have. Mods are also literally working for free to keep coms safe, on topic and legal. Everyone should feel welcome on this site. (as long as they are following the rules and laws, of course) Let's find a way to exist well alongside each other. :)
I'll just chime in to say that while I have no problems with sellers (and all the amazing sex workers out there!), so many of these communities seem to be nearly overrun with people marketing content. I just want to be able to know when people are selling, and choose that kind of content, when it appeals to me.
Specifically, there's an entirely different feel to for-profit porn versus for-excitement porn, and I, for one, am hoping for a little more space being made specifically for people in it for the fun - I'm thinking like /r/NoFans and /r/normalnudes for example.
I've always advised OC sellers to stay away from those subreddits and mod teams that run those fiefdoms (and I'm sure the same division lines will emerge here on Lemmy).
There are/will be many other welcoming places where you will be appreciated. And you can always create new vibrant communities yourself)
One of my biggest gripes with Reddit as a platform is the overabundance of amateur models spamming every single subreddit with the exact same posts to shill their OnlyFans and Fansly profiles, even to the point of posting their content in irrelevant subreddits without consequence. It's at the point where the admins have all but abandoned the 10% rule for self-promotion.
Will you be implementing a policy to ban self-promotion for profit (and keep communities like Gonewild purely for exhibitionists), or at least encourage professional content creators to actually interact with the community and not astroturf LemmyNSFW with adverts for their OF like they've done with Reddit?
Not sure if this belongs here but...
Does every celebrity or porn star really need their own community?
Was browsing by new and almost every celebs post had a duplicate in the ultra specific community just for that one celeb.
Why is everybody trying to police this instance like it was a single little subreddit? Would Reddit have gotten far if it had been so anal about what communities people can and cannot create?
There's always gonna be communities that other people don't want to see, and with a growing community there's gonna be more and more of them. So instead of policing them all, just subscribe to communities you'd like to see, then look at the "Subscribed" view, that what it's literally there for.
I asked @[email protected] a couple weeks ago about possibly having RedGifs links fully working with proper embedding (like on reddit). Not sure if the recent changes about the instance admins will have any impact on this kind of things, so I'm posting this just to check if it's something that it's still being worked on. Again, no rush :)
I'd definitely post more from there if the embed was as nice as e.g. using RES.
Very true. Currently Red gifs links are very cumbersome to view.
Yeah, same... I even opened a couple of communities I already mod on Reddit, but I don't feel like posting even in there because it seems kinda pointless if it just shows as a list of links. I like pictures but porn is at its best in video form imho... and right now there is no good enough way to post a porn clip, which is definitely an issue on a porn-focused instance...
This is a core lemmy enhancement we'd have to make. I'm looking into better video handling, but the core dev team would need to accept that code change. If you're using an app you'll need to raise this with the app developer.
My initial impressions as a new lemmy user: Sure, it could use more content, bugfixes, discoverability, and so on. But it's the reddit alternative I've been looking for. I see so much potential and I think I can finally make the switch for good.
However, since then it's been constant bans and defederations that have somehow made it more restrictive than reddit. I have no interest in and will never understand the appeal of communities like scat, vore, guro etc. but I think that they have a right to exist and greatly contribute to that "early internet" feel. The stance towards most fictional/drawn content seems fairly arbitrary as well.
I understand the reasoning behind these restrictions given the state of lemmy right now, but I really hope this is as temporary as you say.
Once lemmy matures to a point where some of the more controversal content is not automatically promoted to other instances by default (like in /all) and there are better ways to filter and tag content, can we expect a return from the more edgy communities? Will lemmyNSFW really federate with more instances? Because the current state of things along with statements from previous admins make the instance feel pretty hostile right now.
Yeah, I'm out. I was enjoying this instance at first, but it clearly has shown itself to not be hentai friendly. The rules are way too strict, and are about to get even stricter?? I was going to attempt to work within the rules anyway with my communities, but banning @paddedperson has shown me that I don't infact want to stay here at all. They were running most of the hentai communities here and we were starting to work together to make our communities even better. They had legitimate concerns about the rules that were not being addressed. I've also stated my concerns in this post and have not had any response.
Some thoughts:
It would be nice if file upload limit would be increased, maybe to 1.5 MB or 2MB? 1MB just feels too restrictive and I end up having to shrink down a lot of the images or convert them to jpgs that I am trying to upload
I think it would be nice to set up some limits for example or at least have that conversation, for example only 2 years of posts for each community or 9999 posts for each community, then other posts would "drop off" and disk can be reclaimed, similar to 4chan style image boards. As much as I want to have content forever realize that hosting this stuff isn't free.
I am not a fan of scat or throw up porn but I do think it should still be here. Maybe admins can have some sort of toggle to prevent some communities for showing in c/all but otherwise I do think we should have those communities.
I also think we should continue to have those celebs communities. Those communities aren't purely "sfw", your boss would definitely raise an eye brow if he or she would see you scrolling through Katy Perry red carpet photos not to mention if you were doing that around family or kids, there would be questions. Furthermore those communities sexualize celebs and post explicit comments about them which again isn't a "sfw" thing. Other lemmy instances may have communities for those celebs but with more focus on their work for example Taylor Swift community focused on her music not just her hot sexy body, you know?
If people don't like certain communities they can block them. I myself have blocked around ~35 communities mostly centering around hentai/anime, not a fan of that stuff but to each their own.
Thanks for the admins for getting this up and running and maintaining it. It's nice to have a sanctuary now that reddit is hellbent on ruining their site to get an IPO and cash out.
I wanted to express that I'm extremely concerned about the banning of @paddedperson and the deletion of their thread saying that they were migrating away from lemmynsfw.
As far as I can tell, @paddedperson was banned for leaking preliminary information about upcoming content policy changes from the admin discussion group. In my view, they were legitimate concerns, and retaliatory action taken against him are very concerning with respect to treatment of whistleblowers.
Can admins comment on this incident?
Truly transparent non-profit organizations (e.g. Wikipedia) typically release meeting minutes (a summary or transcript), or allow the public to attend voting meetings as part of the audience. Can the admins provide a summary or transcript of the votes taken on various decisions?
So I'm not really an "admin" - I'm a sysadmin/developer who was given the role of admin so I can make sure all systems (including modlog, reportings, and other tools) work as we adjust them for this instance's very specific needs.
Padded got banned because he was trying to sabotage the efforts of an entirely volunteer group including revealing our hosting provider. We are not a "non profit organization" - lemmynsfw is a volunteer instance being run on donations. People need to understand that this is no one's "job" and yet it's literally taking a ton of our time. I've spent so many hours pouring over lemmy code, system configurations, working with the mod tool group, brainstorming, writing code, and trying to help the real admins where I can...
And seriously, no one is being paid for this, donations barely cover server costs, and any excess donations are being saved because it's anticipated that server costs will continue to rise while donations don't. Besides, I don't think any of us WANT to be paid for fear of reprisal from our respective governments for "making money" off serving pornography.
When the creator put out his call for help, a bunch of us stepped up to try to keep the server alive, but this is not an easy instance to run. Please understand that.
To be clear, the volunteers/admins at Wikipedia are not paid either. From my personal experience in Wikimedia communities, my sincere advice is to consider and take transparency seriously.
The most important resource in volunteer spaces like this is 'trust'.
I hope you and the admin team recognize that in order to run a website like this, you also require the trust and buy-in from moderators (who are also unpaid) to invest the many hours into their communities just as you have done for the server. Hiding things from moderators, sending mixed messages, and making secret deliberations (with rumors that some admins are eager to remove large quantities of content) is really damaging for that relationship of trust.
The recent content policy changes (even before padded's leak) have been dictatorial top-down decrees. However, these unilateral rule changes are impractical/meaningless when moderators have not agreed to enforce those rules -- and I've personally experienced this (at best, only 30% of the content that I've reported for content policy violations have been addressed by moderators). Realistically, no moderator wants to enforce rules they don't believe in, and if they leave, the departure of skilled talent cripples this website and leaves communities effectively unmoderated in practice.
Please consider improving the transparency of these content policy deliberations, and at the very minimum, incorporate community moderators into the discussion and ascertain that they are in agreement with the rules before rolling out changes on the drop of a dime.
Question: Will user profiles have follower counts? Also is there a way to share a link to my fans so they can follow me here? Thanks 🫶
What should we use to post videos/gifs. It should be integrated in the site itself. No one likes to click a link and go to other site to watch a video/gifs.