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[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Let's point out the obvious.

Harris hasn't shifted position or gone looking for them; they decided that they had to put the country ahead of the Party.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is the correct takeaway. Harris is by no means a fringe leftie (or Marxist lol) but the only courting she's doing is having people who already sided with her speak on her behalf (like at DNC).

Otherwise, most of her shifts are towards the battleground state, like fracking. No idea why that wins over Pennsylvania (gotta love the toxic water!) but until we fix our elections that's just gonna happen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

My favorite idea for improving democracy comes from Robert Heinlein's novel 'Double Star.'

His idea was that people could choose their 'state' based on their own interests. Instead of being a New Yorker or a Virginian people could pick to be 'soccer mom' or 'IT professional' or 'anarchist' or 'teacher.' The book is light on details, though.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean the guy literally shits his pants every day. Also he’s clinically insane. Also he works for Putin.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (8 children)

The modern democratic party has adopted the positions of 2005 republicans. They might as well adopt the personnel of 2005 republicans too.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They're against gay marriage and gearing up for a gigantic tax cut for the wealthy?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

They're against IVF and school lunches for children?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Democrats have kept the Trump tax cut scheme where the wealthy pay less, and the working class tax cuts expire. This is the ratchet effect, where republicans move the country right, then democrats normalize the rightward shift instead of pushing back.

Kamala has lowered her desired capital gains tax rate to a pathetic 28%.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They are advocating for defunding public education and setting up private religious charter schools?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Well this is a bit outside of our scope, since most of the education defunding was done pre-2005 under Reagan and Clinton.

But yea, democrats have failed to re-fund public education. Our schools look like prisons and our teachers are paid like slaves, and you can see it in our failing test scores.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Do you have a specific example? Just one?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

democrats have failed to re-fund public education

  • When?
  • How?
  • Why?

Specifics, man. Do you understand what that means?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

So... No examples. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They're against healthcare reform and pre-existing conditions?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, look at what they did to Bernie and Medicare for All. They are explicitly against healthcare reform.

edit: or if Bernie is too polarizing of an example, look at how candidate Biden's #1 policy proposal was the public option, and once elected he completely dropped it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Who did what to Bernie? Be specific. Explain, one last time, you understand how basic legislation is passed in the United States of America. Be specific please.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They are against increasing child tax credits for parents?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They are against public infrastructure and housing reform?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yes the infrastructure package passed by Biden is barely enough funds to handle the backlog of maintenance issues in our failing infrastructure.

We are the richest country on earth, we should be building high speed rail like china. We should be investing and making the infrastructure of the future. Instead we can hardly keep our 80 year old rails running without our trains exploding.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I notice you only talk in buzzwords and never give out specifics. You say a lot without saying anything. In none of your comments do you actually give specific examples of anything or explain cause effect. It's pure buzzwords and vibes. Do you have a specific example of anything?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

the infrastructure package passed by Biden is barely enough funds to handle the backlog of maintenance issues in our failing infrastructure

  • Why? What caused the gap in funding that you want to see happen? Explain to us what the impediment was? Be specific.
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (11 children)

They're against environmental regulation and climate change policy?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit you are absolutely relentless. I dunno how I feel about it, but damn.

Stop, stop! He's already dead!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I'm tired of all the pseudo intellectuals hijacking every conversation with feels and never providing concrete examples of anything. They'll dance and dance around general topics and never give us specifics because they know they can get away with saying anything. It's an effective way to build up narratives without having to be held responsible for anything.

They'll never give a clear context or path to how / why / where because they know they can talk in generalities and move on. They're here to stay and either we can all roll over into the post-modern "truth is just a construct world" or we can push back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, under the Biden administration we set a new record for fossil fuel extraction. Biden is giving out so many drilling permits, there are thousands that are unfilled.

We are on pace to make earth uninhabitable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Oh wow. An entire economic system based on a particular source of energy cannot be course corrected over night. Oh wow... Policy change is not easy, is. It? Huh. Who knew?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (30 children)

They are against alleviating student loans?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

They are against abortion?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Former officials.

How many current officials have decided to put country before party? I can almost hear those miserable bastards from here:

The political party that I work at is putting the country at risk, but hey:
1) I don't know, I just work here,
2) I'm NOT going to risk my "I don't know, I just work here" job.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

'former officials'

... it isn't courageous and won't mean anything until CURRENT officials do the same, en masse. They're mostly too scared of losing their cushy positions. Cowards.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Liz Cheney was the 3rd ranking House Republican when she starting warning about Treason Trump.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fair point -- she had the courage and 100% deserves credit for that! I wish more had her strength.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It’s gotta start somewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

…well when you keep sliding to the right

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why is this vomit catchphrase repeated so incessantly? It's like y'all got the memo and repeat the same buzzwords talking points non stop like an army of bots.

Donald Trump is not popular within his party. The Lincoln Project has been operating since Trump was elected.

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Trump is popular within the GQP, it's just many of them are catching on to the fact that Trump wants the pie all for himself and his pals and that they will probably not only get shrinking portions but become the next targets as well if they ever treat him anything other than a cult idol.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

No. From de facto day one of his presidency the Lincoln project has been operating. Trump started making enemies long before he was elected. He's just very erratic and unpredictable. While you're right that he holds a lot of popularity among his devout followers, he doesn't hold the same sway over the rest of the party. Hence the "Never Trumpers" among republicans. It just so happens that after 9 years even the GOP is tired of his erratic unpredictable behavior and can see the sinking ship for what it is.

HOWEVER

back to og claim. At no point has this unpopularity among moderate republicans helped shape democratic policy. This is a common talking point seeded to create division. That's why it's important to ask for specifics about which policies shifted.

Always ask for specifics when countering sophists that employ buzzwords such as @distantsounds

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