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[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Or how about that time Israel bombed Tehran?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

As I recall it was a calculated response to Iran's first direct attack on Israel.

What about...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah so it's always okay when Israel starts it, got it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Can you quote where I said that? And what you mean by "it"?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As I recall it was a calculated response to Iran's first direct attack on Israel.

That was after Israeli attacks.

It = attacks on others

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Something was always after something. But escalations... Like direct attacks...

Edit: I don't personally understand exactly what the point of this is, other than to deny Israel any right to self defense. This in no way backs up your assertions. Also, "attacks on others" is nonsensical to me considering Hamas objectively, and factually, started this war on Oct 7.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes self defense is when invading neighbors, assassinating negotiators and comiting genocide.

Oh now we're too history started on October 7.

Something was always after something. But escalations... Like direct attacks...

So any direct attack by Israeli forces = self defense but anyone else is what?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm truly lost here, I don't get where this is coming from (or really understand the first part). I'm not denying any sovereign country a right to self defense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

On 19 April 2024 at 5:23 a.m. IRST, the Israeli Air Force launched airstrikes targeting an air defense facility within Iran. The limited airstrikes targeted an air defense radar site at an airbase near Isfahan, in central Iran. Israeli missiles appear to have hit their target directly. Satellite images suggest that a surface-to-air missile battery was damaged or destroyed. There was no extensive damage to the base itself. The attack was launched in response to the Iranian drone and missile strikes in Israel, which itself was an Iranian retaliation for the Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus.

Iranian media and social media reported minor explosions near Isfahan, where Iran has nuclear facilities, a drone manufacturing facility, and a major airbase. Iranian state media said that Israeli drones flying over the region were shot down by the Iranian Air Defense Force. Three Iranian officials confirmed to The New York Times that Israel was involved. US officials confirmed that at least three missiles from Israeli aircraft had struck Iran. No strikes were reported on Iran's nuclear sites.

According to a senior US official speaking to ABC News, Israeli aircraft, operating beyond Iran's borders, launched three missiles targeting an air defense radar site guarding the Natanz nuclear facility. The official further stated that the assessment indicated the successful destruction of the targeted site. He also said that the objective of the strike was to communicate Israel's capabilities to Iran without escalating tensions further. An Iranian official told Reuters that the explosions were from Israeli drones being shot down, and claimed that there had been no missile attack on Iran.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

which itself was an Iranian retaliation for the Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Where is Damascus? Unless that's in Iran, directly attacking Israel the first time seems like an escalation to me...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel

The attack was the largest attempted drone strike in history, intended to overwhelm anti-aircraft defenses. It was the first time since Iraq's 1991 missile strikes that Israel was directly attacked by the military of another state. Iran's attacks drew criticism from the United Nations, several world leaders, and political analysts, who warned that they risk escalating into a full-blown regional war. Israel retaliated by executing limited strikes on Iran on 18 April 2024.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/middleeast/iran-drones-attack-israel-intl-latam/index.html

In a statement released on Telegram, Iran’s Foreign Ministry claimed the attack showed Iran’s “responsible approach to regional and international peace and security at a time [of] illegal and genocidal actions by the Zionist apartheid regime against the Palestinian people.”

However, a host of countries from the Middle East to Europe and Latin America voiced concerns over the possibility for escalation, many of them condemning Iran’s actions.

UN Secretary-General António Guterres called for an immediate cessation of hostilities, saying he was “deeply alarmed about the very real danger of a devastating region-wide escalation.” Regional powers Saudi Arabia and Egypt voiced similar concerns, with Egypt saying it was in contact with “all concerned parties to try to contain the situation.”

Various European countries condemned the attack and expressed support for Israel, with the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, describing it on X as “an unprecedented escalation and a grave threat to regional security.”

The UK and France both reiterated their commitments to Israel’s security, with British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak saying Iran had “once again demonstrated that it is intent on sowing chaos in its own backyard.”

The Netherlands, Austria and the Czech Republic also condemned the attack and expressed support for Israel, while Spain and Portugal called for de-escalation.

China has also expressed “deep concern” over the escalation, calling on “relevant parties to exercise calm and restraint to prevent further escalations.” It called the attack a “spillover of the Gaza conflict” and urged an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

Over the past months, American officials have urged Beijing to use its leverage over Iran to help prevent a regionwide conflict. China has been Iran’s biggest trading partner for the past decade and buys 90% of Iran’s oil exports.

In Latin America, Chile and Mexico both condemned the use of force, while Argentina’s President Javier Milei cut short a trip to Denmark to fly back to his country and form a crisis committee. His spokesperson Manuel Adorni said the meeting was to “take charge of the situation and coordinate actions with the presidents of the Western world.”

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Where is Damascus? Unless that’s in Iran, directly attacking Israel the first time seems like an escalation to me…

Embassies and consulates are regarded as territory of the country they represent, hence why people can seek asylum in them. I have been to Damascus (and Aleppo, and through Iran a couple of times, and Lebanon).

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/middleeast/iran-drones-attack-israel-intl-latam/index.html

in retaliation for a suspected Israeli strike on an Iranian diplomatic complex in Syria

Not sure what relevance the rest is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Agree, the dispute over which was it's use militarily. Israel escalated in that attack, and Iran escalated further in it's response by directly attacking a sovereign state. Cool that you've been to the middle east.

I'm honestly confused by the rest of your comment. Including the need to mention your travels.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's as irrelevant as the rest of the stuff you posted, like this:

Over the past months, American officials have urged Beijing to use its leverage over Iran to help prevent a regionwide conflict. China has been Iran’s biggest trading partner for the past decade and buys 90% of Iran’s oil exports.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

This criticism seems pedantic considering the "rest" of the quote. I'm pretty over this discussion.

Have a good day!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I'm pretty over this discussion.

IE they can counter my bullshit

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ignoring Israel doing an entire ground invasion, though. That's definitely not a major escalation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Oh, they didn't ignore it, they endorsed it!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

A terrorist plot to embed pagers and walkie-talkies with small bombs and remotely detonate injuring civilians in another country. It took 2 years to implement, the US knew and the Biden Administration still sends more bombs.

Fuck Israel and any hollow words coming from the US

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Everyday I wonder if the Biden administration has hit rock bottom in encouraging a genocidal fascist state and every day I'm disappointed to find that they are still digging