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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Have your son travel, sending him off to see how other people live and how cheerful and helpful most people are is probably going to open his eyes.

  1. Puerto Rico, Bahama’s, St Lucia, British Virgin Islands are all fairly safe and you can mix and mingle with the locals. Just don’t stay somewhere where you will only stay on the resort. Get a hotel or resort in the middle of a community

I had a wonderful time in St Luca several years ago and stayed at the resort below. It’s a small resort in the middle of a town with lots of interaction with locals.

https://coco-resorts.com/

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Reading through the comments here, I would say a gift certificate or membership to some activity they've expressed interest in. Ideally, something physical, that either involves working/playing/whatever with other people, or which has a social element to it.

My biased selection would be rock climbing if this is of some interest and you have a climbing gym that isn't a giant pain to access (which you might not). Solo sport, but a) you need a belayer - that was my Dad when I was doing it, and b) the gym rats I've come across are often very friendly, open people.

Can be as challenging as you make it, gets you talking with IRL people, opportunity for what sounds like really necessary quality time going up there, if he gets into bouldering or makes a gym buddy and can get there himself he can eventually do it independently, etc.

Might make sense for them, might not - only you would know, really.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Some political theory, then read it yourself so you can stop being a liberal /j

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

A turd.

If you want something that he would enjoy, Mein Kampft.

I mean, I'm sure at this point he has been exposed to most literature and works to not be a fascist, this won't get fixed with a gift. Maybe try to have a 1 on 1 conversation with him, let him speak an express why he thinks like that, let him go deep, let him talk about his feelings. Fascism always root on untrue information and resent. If he respects you, you can then talk about where he is wrong, confront the lies, but embrace him as a person.

If you want to win your son back, it will take real work, respect, and love. These people get lied to, and they believe because they are full of resent and want an explanation, someone to pin all the problems, an enemy. Uprooting that is hard, but sometimes family and friends can do it. If family and friends deepen those core beliefs, nothing is going to change.

Source: When I was younger, I was that stupid too. Friends made me realize it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I used to be heading down this path as a teenager. For me, college was the eye opener. When I broke away from my normal bubble of people, I would have my opinions and biases challenged.

I like the travel suggestion as well. Also I went to some music festivals around that time that were pretty significant to my beliefs. I guess it depends on the type of music they prefer though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)
  • Peter Kropotkin, The Conquest of Bread (1892)
  • Murray Bookchin, The Ecology of Freedom (1982)
  • Abdullah Öcalan, Democratic Confederalism (2011)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While those are cool books you’re not going to turn a facist kid leftist by gifting them anarchist books they aren’t ever going to want to read.

Especially when their radicalisation likely came from the instant gratification of social media.

They probably feel like the odd one out. Feelings of loneliness can often lead to this kind of radicalisation. You want to make the kid feel loved. Gifting them books from your ideology is pretty much the worst thing you could do (unless it’s some sort of “side gift”). Because it’s basically screaming “I’m not going to get you anything you want unless you change for me” — aka. I do not love you unconditionally, which a kid never wants to hear

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'd suggest NOT giving him more liberalism, since that has already demonstrated the predictable outcome.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

The Jungle, by Upton Sinclair.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

The article doesn't mention this, so I am adding that you can also read that annotated version online for free at https://www.mein-kampf-edition.de/ (but only in German; not sure if there are annotated translations into other languages, I never checked because German is my first language).

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Gen Z men that fall for the machismo of "hustling" just can't conceptualize the amount of financial difference between them and their idols. Get him something he can work towards making a hobby and hope that you can talk to him about why he thinks the way he does; listen and try to empathize and offer him an alternative solution to what he has forged for himself.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

I don't know how else to show him I love him or that he's a part of this family.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

A Peoples History of the United States by Howard Zinn

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Just out of curiosity, do you know what drew him to this line of thinking in the first place? Any particular media he's consumed? Knowing how one first enters into fascism can help in undoing that damage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Probably overbearing parents trying to force an ideology down his throat without letting him developed hia own identity and personal philosophy. Trying to force anything upon someone will always lead to them rebelling. Same as conservative parents trying to force their gay kids to be strait. The irony is palpable.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

does he like music? see if theres any old punk shows around or any records/vinyls if he likes that at all. sex pistols, dead kennedys, hell, even green day.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

As a lefty who received "gifts" from her conservative parents, let me suggest giving the gift separate from a major holiday. Something I wish my parents had done that could work as a gift of sorts for you would be to take your son out for coffee or breakfast. Nothing fancy, preferably not busy. Talk to them about why they think what they do. Don't combat them, just try to understand. Ask them if they would be comfortable talking more after you've had time to think about what they said.

"Hey [child's name], you know that we have strong beliefs about certain subjects. We feel we have good reasons to believe the things we do, but there are smart people in the world who disagree with us. You are a smart kid, and that is reflected in the way you look for answers to problems that the way you have been brought up to think hasn't offered a solution for. It would mean the world to your mom and I to know out son better, what are some things you've thought deeply about recently?"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’d recommend some Scott Galloway. He’s an advocate for young men, but he’s not one of those toxic manosphere types. He’s not exactly a leftist, but he’s certainly a liberal by today’s standards.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

holocaust documentary with real footage so he can see what the end consequences of that shit is. if seeing hundreds of naked emaciated corpses getting thrown nto huge mass graves with bulldozers doesn't make him rethink then he's a fucking psycho.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

........a ballgag?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I'd be curious about what makes him different from the others. There's been some research regarding fluid intelligence* vs. crystalized intelligence, where liberals tend to be more on the fluid side. It kind of makes sense because rather than trying to figure out what they can't understand off the bat, conservatives tend to rage against it.

As far as gifts, I dunno. Maybe a puzzle game? I don't know what's big in the puzzle game world now, if anything. The idea is make your son more comfortable with the idea of tackling novel problems instead of trying to cram them into an existing framework.

*it's called "intelligence" but I tend to think of it more like a thinking strategy. Fluid intelligence being "can I think of a way to solve this?" while crystallized intelligence is "what strategy that I'm familiar with already can solve this?"

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