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Summary

Ukraine is struggling to reverse a severe population decline worsened by Russia’s invasion, with 6-10 million citizens still abroad.

To address this, the government created the Ministry of National Unity, prioritizing repatriation as part of a resilience plan.

However, security concerns, economic instability, and lack of services deter returns.

Ukraine faces an urgent labor shortage for post-war recovery, needing millions of workers by 2032, as prolonged displacement reduces the likelihood of return.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I guess that's the one clear advantage Ukraine has. Russia's expatriated intelligentsia and educated liberals ain't coming back..

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

*defenestrated

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Many of these people have an apartment or other property left in Ukraine. There's an incentive to return. And not everyone can learn a new language.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Where are you getting this data about what these refugees have left in Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

From acquaintances and colleagues who left Ukraine in 2022.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

What kind of statistics do you expect? Evaluating the financial situation of everyone who crossed the border would be complicated, if not illegal. The last census in Ukraine was done in 2001, we don't even know the total population number, we can only estimate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I'm not the one who made the claim. I just asked for the source.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

These plans are dumb as hell, there is a war, right now, peoplle dying every day from missile attacks. All power generation stations are either damaged or can't be scaled in short term. All infrastructure is damaged everywhere. There won't be post-war recovery. If these people don't want to return let them be wherever they want to be. Most of them are white and sometimes even work, so all anti-refugee politicians would be ok with them. I am glad that they are safe and alive.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is this some kremlin talking point or what are you spewing?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I think he's saying the war needs to end before a lot of them come back, since they left because of the war...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

That is beyond an incredibly generous interpretation of their comment. In fact, that would have been a reasonable comment to make. But again, that wasn't what they said.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I think it's a pretty grounded view tbh

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

What part of my comment is unreasonable? Every part of it is truth. These nebulous plans for "post-war" are dumb, there is war. People that had resources and wanted to ran away from war won't return unless something changed. Force them out from countries where they are is cruel and only gathers interest of very specific political parties, which won't be interested in deportation. Infrastructure is badly damaged everywhere in the country and recovery is very slow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Pretty much the only conclusion that I can come to after reading his comment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Well, that's all good and sound, if you forget that they probably want to forcefully enroll repatriated people