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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (43 children)

It's funny how even catholic views are considered unacceptable now by the liberal society. This is the paradox of your tolerance: you want to accept all kinds of different people for as long as they are the same in what they believe.

I see no reason for catholic medical institutions to provide services they believe to be immoral, I don't personally, but so what of it, they should not be forced to do it.

It seems that in the US, people are taking more radical and unreasonable attitudes towards abortions(that applies to both sides). Some people may feel the need to defend abortions from anything. But I believe that tolerance should not be cast away for zealotry.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

So up until recently Catholic views were accepted by "liberal" society?

Stop it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

'Even catholic'. Fuck me i lolled

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The problem is that in many areas there are no alternative institutions for someone to receive care. Choosing to go to another non-religious hospital is often not an option in many places. I live in a major metro and the majority of hospitals here are religiously affiliated. It's not a matter of allowing a few random institutions to uphold their beliefs, it's an institutional problem when a person cannot receive valid medical care because of the objections of a religion. If you live in a small town with a single hospital, and the next closest one is an 8 hour drive away, then that hospital should be required to provide all FDA approved treatments the doctors are physically capable of administering.

I'm all for allowing people to practice their religion however it best suits them to do so, until it negatively interferes with the lives of others. When your religion starts preventing people from accessing widely approved and safe healthcare, then your beliefs should not be protected. I don't care if you're Catholic, Muslim, or Pastafarian - you have no right to prevent someone from accessing healthcare because of your beliefs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's funnier how the catholic church defends pedophilia on an institutional level, but you "think of the children" types don't seem to care.

Fun fact, the tolerance paradox isn't a paradox. It's a social contract. The contract is to be tolerant. Catholics are intolerant of anything they disagree with. They don't abide by the contract, therefore we aren't obligated to tolerate their bullshit.

Even more fun facts, the late term abortions catholics LOVE to hate-monger about (I went to the march for life I know first hand) make up a tiny fraction of total abortions, and they are almost always emergency situations, or discovered fetus conditions incompatible with life. Any arbitrary ban WILL kill women, and disproportionately kill women who actually want children. Three women died in Texas in November alone due to abortion laws.

I'm sure there can be some reasonable agreement that gives doctors greater discretion while not allowing elective late term abortions or whatever you think is happening, but for right now, you're killing actual people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I am not opposed to abortion, personally, nor is it banned anywhere in my country. I also have not killed anyone yet, but I'll yet you know if anything changes. However, I am not particularly interested in forcing chrstians to accept secular morality.

The paradox I am referring to, is not in the fact that people that preach tolerance should be tolerant to everyone. I am instead pointing out the fact that western progressive culture, while preaching diversity, do not actually accept people that disagree with them, so inclusivity is contingent on acceptance of certain views, in that sense, this "diversity" is skin deep, we only accept you if you already agree with us.

This is similar to how christians have historically thought, ironically. So while blaming catholics of being intolerant of everything they disagree with, it seems like you are doing exactly that.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

what do you mean by "even" catholic views?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Because catholics are known for their tolerance.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Compared to most the protestant sects today they are pretty tolerant.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Catholic priests raps kids for centuries. Fuck em.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Today Lemmy learns that, in fact, the Catholic church has historically provided health care and education, according to their beliefs, over hundred of years

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Same amount of body fluids.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

your loss is our sauce

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