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There will be a new announcement soon to clarify.

~~Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative.~~

~~Humans are naturally inclined to believe a single narrative when they're only presented with a single narrative. That's the basis of how fiction works. You can't tell someone a story if they're questioning every paragraph. However, a well placed sentence questioning that narrative gives the reader the option to chose. They're no longer in a story being told by one author, and they're free to choose the narrative that makes sense to them, even if one narrative is being pushed much more heavily than the other.~~

~~Unfortunately, some malicious actors are hijacking this natural tendency to be invested in fiction, and they're using it to create absurd, cult-like trends in non-fiction. They're using this for various nefarious ends, to turn us against each other, to generate profit, and to affect politics both domestically and internationally.~~

~~In a fully anonymous social media platform, we can't counter this fully. But we can prune some of the most egregious echo chambers.~~

~~We're aware that this policy is going to be subjective. It won't be popular in all instances. We're going to allow some "flat earth" comments. We're going to force some moderators to accept some "flat earth" comments. The point of this is that you should be able to counter those comments with words, and not need moderation/admin tools to do so. One sentence that doesn't jive with the overall narrative should be easily countered or ignored~~.

~~It's harder to just dismiss that comment if it's interrupting your fictional story that's pretending to be real. "The moon is upside down in Australia" does a whole lot more damage to the flat earth argument than "Nobody has crossed the ice wall" does to the truth. The purpose of allowing both of these is to help everyone get a little closer to reality and avoid incubating extreme cult-like behavior online.~~

~~A user should be able to (respectfully, infrequently) post/comment about a study showing marijuana is a gateway drug to !marijuana without moderation tools being used to censor that content.~~

~~Of course this isn't about marijuana. There's a small handful of self-selected moderators who are very transparently looking to push their particular narrative. And they don't want to allow discussion. They want to function as propaganda and an incubator. Our goal is to allow a few pinholes of light into the Truman show they wish to create. When those users' pinholes are systematically shut down, we as admins can directly fix the issue.~~

~~We don't expect this policy to be perfect. Admins are not aware of everything that happens on our instances and don't expect to be. This is a tool that allows us to trim the most extreme of our communities and guide them to something more reasonable. This policy is the board that we point to when we see something obscene on [email protected] so that we can actually do something about it without being too authoritarian ourselves. We want to enable our users to counter the absolute BS, and be able to step in when self-selected moderators silence those reasonable people.~~

~~Some communities will receive an immediate notice with a link to this new policy. The most egregious communities will comply, or their moderators will be removed from those communities.~~

~~Moderators, if someone is responding to many root comments in every thread, that's not "in a smaller proportion" and you're free to do what you like about that. If their "counter" narrative posts are making up half of the posts to your community, you're free to address that. If they're belligerent or rude, of course you know what to do. If they're just saying something you don't like, respectfully, and they're not spamming it, use your words instead of your moderation abilities.~~

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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

Good fucking luck.

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Please do not enshittify please do not enshittify please do not enshittify... Oh well too late

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just move to a better instance lol, wasn't that the entire point of coming here? Lemmy.zip and Lemm.ee have been great.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Classic .world admins showing their constant incompetence

nice

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Straight up bullshit and a completely half-baked, ill-considered, ill-conceived idea. Completely disconnected from reality.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

There's something that everyone should keep in mind with this announcement. Due to the nature of federation and the fediverse, it can ONLY apply to lemmy.world. Users and communities on other instances can, do, and will continue to have their own policies on the matter.

Expect the tankie and fascist instances to keep doing tankie and fascist shit, and very little has changed in that regard. They still have the same risk of defederation, even if the chances have inched up slightly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

This policy is the board that we point to when we see something obscene on [email protected] so that we can actually do something about it without being too authoritarian ourselves.

Any comment on this one?

https://lemmy.world/post/23229045

I checked the thread, those comments are still removed: https://lemmy.world/comment/13966483

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (5 children)

So c/world will start allowing all sources of news?

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I would be happy enough if its moderator stopped instigating and escalating conflict with individual community members.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

FlyingSquid is known to violate this on /c/world

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

How? Genuinely curious. Their name is everywhere and I often see them discuss with people who disagree with them.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

hes the best dont believe the disinformation about him a reliable source tells me he is NOT a zionist

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

I support you in this decision. To me, Lemmy is fundamentally about the free exchange of ideas, independent from the prevailing mainstream dogma. This platform was built to accommodate a diversity of experiences and viewpoints, and allow people to engage with unfamiliar perspectives without being overwhelmed by them.

This policy only applies to lemmy.world, it doesn't apply to every server on the fediverse. If the complainers truly feel that their experience is being negatively impacted by this policy, then go ahead and move to one of the many servers that maintain the policy of removing and banning opposing viewpoints on sight. There's absolutely nothing wrong with finding your preferred walled garden and savoring that environment.

But if Lemmy is just a collection of echo chambers, there won't be any space for people to hash out their differences of opinion, and we will just become more isolated and out of touch. As the largest server in the network, I think it's quite suitable for lemmy.world to explicitly advocate for a diversity of viewpoints, and I believe it will ultimately benefit the platform as a whole.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Holy shit lw finally makes a good moderation decision. This is great this will open up lemmy to more free speach make it more welcoming to normies with opinions that differ from the lemmy echochamber.

This will not be popular but it is nessasary to ensure lemmy and Activpub can become mainstream and continue to maintain its open nature.

This is brilliant.

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