They also noted that staggered ticketing structures "are not uncommon".

"Discounted tickets are widely offered to various groups including seniors, students, unwaged, and locals to name a few. This structure exists beyond [the event] WAVES, and is utilised by businesses and organisations alike, in an effort to prioritise affordability for specific demographics."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Brown Town lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

The idea that racism can be good is very strange. "I'm going to be racist, but for a good cause" doesn't fit well.

I get the goal was to encourage Tangata Moana to attend, but it is in effect a disincentive to the "allies" because they are being punished.

The fact that there is tiered pricing for other things doesn't excuse this behavior. It turns out that Students/Youth/Elderly are different than Maori/White/Pasifika.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How the heck do they figure out who's who and where do they draw the line? Imagine telling someone who identifies as Maori that they aren't Maori and then charges them an extra $10 for it. God I hope they're not doing any blood quantum shit.

I'm not sure if Aotearoa has band offices like they do in Canada, but one way to achieve equity (and not doing any harm) would be to give coupons or something to the band office so they can hand them out to their people. Thus giving discounts to people who need them and not making anyone feel excluded.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

That's a good point, I assume they just take the person's word for it. There's a lot of Maori that don't look particularly Maori around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe their goal isn’t to end racism but to say “if you get you to be racist to benefit your kind why can’t we”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So, what's the answer then - woukd it be just declaring there is no racism in NZ and trying to keep everything 'level'?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The OP is saying there is no racism. I am saying we accept that fact there is deep and intense racism which runs to the core of our culture and that all efforts to ease it have failed. These people have come to the same realisation and decided to go ahead and practice it the same way it was practiced against them.

There is no other choice really. It's not like people are going to stop being racist tonight and treat everybody fairly. Why even pretend the world is fair.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I get what you mean.

I'm hoping somehow there's a way where we can get to some sort of parity and then work to de-escalate from there, but I actually just don't think humans can do that.

We really need better tools to handle our insecurities, as a species...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is not about insecurities. This is about suffering material and health related consequences of racism for a lifetime and then finally when you have the chance to make one small gesture making it and then getting shit on by an entire nation who believes the only beneficiary of racism should be them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fair point - I'd moved on from this example of the tiered pricing to the big picture of 'how does a society eliminate racism' in principle.

You are right about this.

I do wonder what might the future look like though, when we're all trying to 'get one back' either due to responding to the systemic racism or ...bear with me here, the hypothetocal is a little gross: counter-responses: lets imagine pakeha with perceived past hurts in response to similar gestures? (as im sure there are quite a few completely blind to their privilege and so on...). I'm not saying they did the wrong thing at all with the gesture, I'm merely trying to find ways to avoid escalating things (which in hindsight sounds dangerously like 'peace at any price', but I don't think it is...).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This all sounds like "shut up and take it bitch" to me.

After subjecting them to a lifetime of racism you don't think the victims should be able to act the same (not escalation, just acting like the pakeha do). An immediately a cry goes out and hands start wringing about what the future will look like if everybody did the same thing pakeha have done to the Maori (and others) for the last century.

Why do the minorities have to turn the other cheek and smacked with the hammer over and over again? Why can't the pakeha de escalate and turn the other cheek and shut up and take it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Oh for sure, heartily agree. Didnt mean anything akin to 'shut up and take it.

Those 'in power' should absolutely lead by example (and there's bound to be plenty of time before the victims can actually pull back from 'defence mode' - now I'm starting to think of it in the same context as abusive relationships, however). Sorry, my analogies are all over the place!