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[–] [email protected] 112 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I was taught when I was young that you don't call something that isn't really genocide genocide, someone that isn't a nazi a nazi, etc. because it dilutes the meaning of the word. I do think that Israel is committing a genocide, and I do think that Musk is a neo-nazi; I'm not diluting these terms to say this.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He backs the neo-nazi party of Germany and does the Hitler salute as well as Hitler himself. He's 100% a neo-nazi.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Are you... disagreeing with me? Or are you reaffirming what I'm saying? I am not sure I understand the point of this comment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Awe, someone is so unused to positive validation that he doesn't understand agreement.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And calling critisim of israel anti-semetic dilutes the meaning of that word.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 months ago (2 children)

ah, the before times.

Now they're the guys with their arms in the air. pretty hard to miss.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No no, you see they are being "ironic"! Don't you understand their alpha brained comedy? /s

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nazis, plural. Where there's one Nazi, there's guaranteed multiple more hiding nearby.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Like roaches, except more skeevy.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

At this point, they may not even be hiding

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm gonna channel John brown with every nazi I see

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've seen people unironically insist John Brown was a Nazi. I believe "posting John Brown memes" was one of the arguments for banning a swath of leftist subs on Reddit, back in '16.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A man who gave his life to free slaves is no nazi. The fact that it's controversial to say slaves should be free is what made me radicalized

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A man who gave his life to free slaves is no nazi.

Ah, but he condoned violence. And every liberal knows that resisting the benevolent enslavement of the superior white race is just as bad as firing artillery rounds at a federal base off the coast of South Carolina.

The fact that it’s controversial to say slaves should be free is what made me radicalized

You're allowed to say slaves should be free. Everyone has the right to free speech, after all.

You're just not allowed to do anything to free the slaves. Or condone those that do. Or mention the names of those that condone those that do. Or suggest in any way that violence is an appropriate response to a problem.

Unless, we're talking about violence aimed at a National Enemy, of course. Then you're an evil double agent of a foreign government if you don't clap enthusiastically at our next Great Patriotic War abroad.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

All hail exportation of explosive freedom

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One day Nazis are going to find out again that people love killing Nazis more than Nazis love killing their undesirables.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

You gotta use all caps to really show how much we LOVE killing Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Dumb and reductionist. There are actual nazis, but people seem to have forgotten what fascism and nazis actually are, so yes they do call anyone a nazi.

This only serves to water down the meaning of calling someone a nazi. And then when the real nazis show up, calling them out will have no impact.

Now, feel free to call me a nazi.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Holy shit! It worked!

Now go on for a couple paragraphs about “nuance,” and how “life isn’t always black & white.”

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This is why you call them all Nazis.

This isn't my story, but it's been posted dozens of times if you want to look it up.

Guy is in his local pub. Two new guys come in. They don't seem to be offensive, but the bartender screams at them to get the fuck out.

The bartender explains that those two are part of the local Nazi clique. How the Nazis work is to have two or three guys come to a place and become regulars. After a couple of weeks, they bring in four or five more guys. Then those guys bring in their buddies, and all of a sudden the regulars don't want to come in any more and, without noticing, it's now a Nazi bar.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (27 children)

I was thinking of migrating to .world when I saw how annoying the .ml profanity filter is ("fire removedant") but now I'm glad I didn't.

Edit: oops, right, this is midwest.social. Anyway, I have seen .world ban for the same normie takes but it was only a suspension

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And of course he defended musks salute, is a transphobe and does not know what genocide is.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/19124820/12601741

Hhhmmm… Not very genocide of people aren’t being rounded up and executed, and not very silent if there’s news articles talking about it.

Sensationalist crap.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I really want to remember the name of a program/skit from Germany, where a man complains about nazi soldiers putting up a nazi poster outside his house's wall, then a Gestapo officer comes along, "Why are you calling them nazis? Just because you disagree doesn't mean they're nazis""

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's the year 2035 and Johnny returns home from school....

Johnny: Hi mom!

Mom: Get back here and greet your one and only mother properly!

Johnny: fuck nazis mom!

Mom: fuck nazis my handsome boy!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

Fuck Nazis! Anyone who waves a flag with a Swastika (not the Gammadion Cross), uses Aryan symbols and salutes like a fucking Nazi is a fucking Nazi. I'm just waiting for the MAGA asswipes to force the US military to goose step during parades with Jack Boots.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I do think it's important to try to respectfully explain why what somebody is saying is an issue but only when you have the energy.

I know from some people I've spoken with that they have no idea about the consequences of some things they (used to) agree with. If I had just called them Nazis they would have just felt disrespected and probably not thought about why people might call them that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There is some merit to this point. People are emotional creatures first, and sometimes exclusively. It often doesn't matter if you're right if the other people feels bad about it.

This is a really immature, unsophisticated, way to engage with the world, but it's the reality for a lot of people. Honestly, it happens to all of us sometimes. Some people seem to rarely rise above the gutfeel level, though.

It does kind of suck that we have to cater to the most simplistic ways of engaging with the world, because if we don't they'll form a far right party and do some genoide.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

but only when you have the energy.

Thank you for this, because I don't have more than to post fuck Nazis

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Yeah, no.

In about as progressive as can be, but I'm not in favor of every dumb idea just because "it's a left idea". We live in the real world too, yet I've been called a Nazi multiple times for not fully agreeing with every tiny detail.

It's that exact attitude that had been pushing many people to the right, please stop doing that.

I'm against everything trump, pretty much everything what the Republican party has to offer, I can even see that Luigi has a good point that needs addressing, but at the same time I would like space to discuss items, or plain disagree with something. This space is omething that has disappeared since long time ago. I get it, but this is what trump wanted to begin with, create a "you're with ur or against us" atmosphere.

You have to be able to disagree with certain individual things or if not you're just in yet another fascist system.

Let the down votes come. Calls for being reasonable are very unpopular these days

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Thank you. Nobody who is actually progressive becomes a nazi because someone was mean to them on the internet. That's just fascist BS to get others to "be reasonable".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

anticommunist

I'm as progressive as can be!

Every single time.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

There is currently a massive hate campaign on reddit against the owner of the "Optimists Unite" subreddit because it got flooded with anti-trump posts. It blew up when the owner said that he was going to clean up the subreddit and enforce rules so that it's not just another political rage sub. From there literally tens of thousands of people have spread the rumor that this person is a nazi, that they're right-wing and Trump supporter, etc. None of it had any real evidence other than a screenshot where he said he was going to "take the subreddit back" and somehow people took that to mean purging leftist politics entirely.

I have no dogs in the fight, I'm an outspoken leftist but I certainly don't feel optimistic nor do I care what happens to the subreddit. But holy shit, the fervor and hate that people level against someone who just wants to do something specific and goal-oriented. The bots that jump into these bandwagons and hype up the emotions even more are making things even worse.

This was just one example that had high visibility, but you can imagine how many smaller-scale dramas burn out this way where someone faces mob wrath for just not wanting to engage in the same political binary.

To be clear, I think we should ALL engage in the political binary and fix the fucking thing, but I also wouldn't hold a gun to anyone's head and force them to wear a certain uniform or adhere to a specific narrative.

Human tribalism is very dangerous on either side. It's far more dangerous on the right, but oftentimes even the best intentions just become fascism again when nobody is on-guard and careful how much power we're giving a storyline. For further reading, just read any history books about communism and revolutions. There is a hard-wired system in human beings where we form societies based around shared narratives, and this force helped us survive millions of years and form groups in adverse conditions, but those human qualities are not adapted to a very complicated, digital world where we can all see and share ideas across the globe in an instant.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Good to sort any pedantic or bad faith arguments out now. Pedantry didn't win the day to stave off WWII and that shit caught on quick. Let's get ahead of that this time.

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