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Dems for Some Reason Expect Trump to Follow the Law on Detention of Mahmoud Khalil
(theintercept.com)
I voted for Fuck Schumer at least twice. Never again.
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his ass needs primaried. hard.
I’m sure that all of the important people who would never consider us such a thing have suddenly started considering such a thing.
Shit, Hakeem Jefferies was my District Rep, and I voted for him at least twice because of how “standup“ he was to anything else. But seeing him fall a suit with Schumer and capitulate to the worst of things that must be vocally and outright resisted at all costs Has really changed my view of progressive politics. And I thought I was way more progressive than most. I blame “establishment” Dems like Schumer for ruining his message.
As a New Yorker, I have attended several Bernie rallies (form 2015-today) and have met him on a handful of occasions. What a great guy! But our entire democracy cannot rest on a single 80-something year-old, no matter how fucking amazing he is (and he IS great!). The entire Democratic Party should be aligned with him, but, sadly, like the rest of our entire government, nobody is aligned with anything other than self-preservation (at best) or self-enrichment (at worst). Except for a tiny few. AOC is part of that best group, and as long as I can draw breath, I will push hard for her and those of similar positions, and show up for protests against anything other than the progressiveness that this country absolutely must adopt in order to survive a larger and global order, especially as the logic global order, itself, it’s to survive.
Democracy, freedom, and equity. Anyone who supports anything different is an enemy of everyone.
Hakeem Jeffries was a spearhead AIPAC voice for the Gaza genocide. He is one of the most vile establishment Democrats and I am astounded anyone could deem him progressive.
Here is a tip: if you want to find out which Democrats are standup people, look at how they voted on Gaza. If they do not care about brown people in the Middle East they also do not care about you.
Not when he first ran, and not until quite a bit into his second term. In the beginning, when I voted for him, he positioned himself as a progressive Democrat and ally of AOC.
What has happened since then, I’m really sorry about that, as far as I can be considered to blame as an individual voter.
I have not followed Jeffries since the start. Might have been a case of Fetterman-itis.
In any case, as long as you draw the red line and stop voting for him it is a-ok. Thanks for trying your best!
He was extraordinary aligned with the progressive left for years before, and after he got elected, even twice.
His sudden change to “sucking Trump’s cock” is pretty recent. Nonetheless, yeah. It is what it is.
Put them up against the wall with the rest of the bullshit artists who say whatever they have to say in order to remain in power.
I'm sure this time will be different.
If you're a Democrat there is no political upside to coming out publicly for Khalil.
I had read somewhere that Khalil has some diplomatic experience and possible connections to the UK. I'm wondering if the U.S. politicians know something about him that the rest of us don't.
Staying silent on the unlawful detention and suppression of the first amendment rights of a legal permanent resident would be unforgivable. If this specific case doesn’t cause outrage and epitomize the lawlessness and cruelty of this administration, then nothing will.
There is no political upside to staying silent on this issue. This is not the time to spread unsourced rumors about a facially law-abiding permanent resident, it’s the time to insist our government follow the laws that the rest of us are subject to. Follow due process, and if there are genuine issues with his case, deal with them within the bounds of the law. But keeping quiet and just assuming this administration will follow the law is foolish. We all need to loudly stand up for this man and his rights, otherwise no one will stand up for us when the time comes.
If they know something we don't then whatever that is needs sunlight poured on it. Keeping it in the dark only undermines the fight for the Constitution and does more harm.
Either tell the truth and fight in the light. Or suck it up and fight for what's right - even if the person you are fighting for isn't perfect.
It’s hard to empathize after the paelestinian protestors chose this over “genocide Joe”.
So because a small group of voters made a decision that you (and I) disagree with, their rights shouldn’t be protected by the law? That’s not how this is supposed to work.
Now you're getting it. The oligarchy and right wing propaganda machine successfully turned Liberals against the left for drawing a line in the sand at genocide...
Liberals: "should we blame our party for being bought and paid for by the oligarchy? Should we blame ourselves for failing to motivate the 100M adults who sit out each election? For supporting genocide? No, we'll blame the radical left "protest voters" for Trumps win, without evidence that they had any meaningful impact! This is all their fault!"
The oligarchy and right wing propaganda machine successfully turned Liberals against the left for drawing a line in the sand at genocide…
Well, yes and no:
Yes, in the sense that the oligarchy is responsible for constructing the system to create the dilemma (support some genocide by voting for Harris, or support even more genocide by not voting for Harris) in the first place.
No, in the sense that the game theory of the situation (a binary choice between Harris and Trump with no -- let me repeat that: no -- viable third choice) dictated that the only moral option was voting for Harris in order to minimize harm. People (including liberals and leftists) being pissed off at third-party voters and non-voters for refusing to acknowledge that reality and act accordingly isn't the result of "propaganda," it's the result of having a brain that works properly.
Liberals: “should we blame our party for being bought and paid for by the oligarchy? Should we blame ourselves for failing to motivate the 100M adults who sit out each election? For supporting genocide? No, we’ll blame the radical left “protest voters” for Trumps win, without evidence that they had any meaningful impact! This is all their fault!”
Finally, I just want to make it crystal clear that this isn't the either/or you seem to think it is. We absolutely can blame both the bought-and-paid-for Democrats and the protest-voting dipshits, and I (being a leftist with a functioning brain) very much do.
You’re purposefully misrepresenting what I said.
The way to prevent protestors from disappearing is to vote for “genocide Joe”.
Paelestinian protestors chose to discourage voters from preventing this. They chose this outcome while so many tried to prevent it.
They aren't a monolith. I attended the protests and voted for genocide Joe. I'm sure many others did too.
Not that people who didn't deserve any of this. This is an extremely wrongheaded way to look at this.
Well, during the term of Joe Biden he attacked these protestors verbally and encouraged local police and fascist MAGA terrorists to attack peaceful protest encampments with physical violence.
The idea that Biden cared in any way about the constitutional or even basic human rights of these protestors is laughable.
Trump makes protestors disappear and you claim both sides are the same?
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/5/2/videos-show-violence-of-mob-attack-on-ucla-anti-war-protesters
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/16/us/ucla-student-protests-counterprotesters-invs/index.html
This is the kind of shit that Biden endorsed. A violent mob working together with campus police to attack peaceful protest camps. And to put icing on the cake, then some of the peaceful protestors that were brutally attacked got arrested, while the attackers could leave uninterrupted, which further shows that the attackers had the backing of the government.
Biden had absolutely no regard for the rights of people who opposed the Israel crimes he zealously enabled.
EDIT: One of the perpetrators identified by CNN was subsequently released and no charges made, despite his mother proudly boasting about his violent attacks and him being clearly identifiable in videos, as he is beating onto people with a pole.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/21/us/edan-on-ucla-palestine-encampment-attack/index.html
It wasn’t my intention to misrepresent your comment, apologies if that’s how it came across.
Even though I disagree with the people who didn’t vote Dem because of the genocide, as a whole I find it incredibly easy to empathize with a subjugated population whose families are being discriminately murdered for no reason. I can’t blame them for not voting, especially when it’s unclear that their votes would have made any difference. Trump hasn’t stopped the genocide, Kamala wouldn’t have either. So the Palestinian protestors didn’t cause this man to be arrested by their actions or lack of actions. Even if they voted for Trump, I still fundamentally believe they deserve our empathy and a forceful defense of their rights.
So this is why liberals don't give a shit about this?
Damn y'all really are straight evil. "Some of these people didn't side with me politically, so fuck all of them" literally not even trying to beat the "left wing of fascism" allegations.
First they came for the Palestinians. I didn't speak out because some of them voted for Trump so fuck all of them. You know how the rest goes, and hopefully you're smart enough to know that that supporting or staying silent on this is horrible for everyone, even wh-te l-berals like you
You’re surprised that pro-genocide people are deep down terrible people?
It's not even that deep down anymore cx at this point dems are literally at/right of Reagan on a ton of issues, and certainly more supportive of Israel
I gave a shit. That’s why I voted for “Genocide Joe”. Because I wanted to prevent this. But you can’t save someone from themselves.
You only give a shit insofar at you can use it as a bludgeon to beat every Palestinian over the head with. Unless there some other reason why you're so desperate to remind people "Palestinians deserve this for supporting Trump" multiple times on multiple posts?
I didn’t say they deserved it. That is you putting a spin on my words.
Palestinian protestors chose to discourage voters from voting for “genocide Joe”.
Even while so many predicted this outcome and tried to avoid it.
"Palestinian protestors chose to discourage voters from voting for “genocide Joe”. " there were a bunch who didn't tho. Afaik most pro-palestine protestors voted for Kamala, including Palestinians. And again, even if they're a small group (I'm pretty sure they're the majority) why are you bringing it up in every discussion about Palestine? Do you think we were all vocally against Biden, or are you saying nobody should've protested the genocide in the first place, or shouldn't have blamed it on Biden?
This is as insane as saying the Jews deserved the Holocaust because they called Hitler a Nazi.
you're homogenizing a group. and having marched with that group, you're not even doing it right. "we can't vote for kamala" was a uniquely online take. the protestors i marched with were clear the aims were to shift the dems AND get them in office
Fucking BlueMAGA.
It's hard to empathize because a tiny sect of people may have chosen not to vote for Joe Biden? Their votes certainly wouldn't have impacted the election. They might as well protest vote. Do you think everybody who you decide made a misguided or stupid decision deserves massive consequences? Are we so retributive now that we can't empathize with people because they didn't fight against the consequences correctly beforehand?