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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Well, he only vets "Reform UK" candidates, so the only question is which of the idiots he selects to fail.

[–] Zippygutterslug@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

People said the same thing about MAGA, be careful how far you shove your head up your ass to avoid seeing nazis infiltrate your government

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't think that Reform UK has a real chance here. Yes, they are idiots, but they are a split off of the Tories, weakening both. The Tories hold a good grip on people who are not exactly the most mentally flexible to put it mildly and would vote for a brick if it was a Tory candidate.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The AfD in Germany also was a split off of the CDU. Now they are second strongest in the last federal election.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

And not part of the government.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

While fascists are often overconfident, they're also self-poised themselves with "we either win everything or lose everything" mantra, that helped the republicans, Fidesz, PiS, etc. win.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They could well eclipse the Tories in the next election, especially if Tufton St. switch their allegiance. A Reform LLC government is not less likely than a second Trump administration in the US.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

While Reform UK might take a (big?) bite out of the Tory cake, the FPTP voting system would simply sink them both.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 points 5 days ago

Depends on how well Starmer fares, and how good the right’s data microtargeting game is. If left-leaning voters stay home due to Starmer tacking to the right (and, in key electorates, precisely targeted Facebook ads inducing disgust in just enough voters), while the right-wing papers keep going on about Labour’s loony-left socialist programme driving Britain off the cliff (illustrated with photos of empty shelves in Venezuela), Labour will find itself falling between two stools.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

No it won't. The FPTP will propel Reform into government if two things happen:

  1. Badenoch (or whomever replaces her) fails to drum up support at the next election.

  2. Reform manages to not implode into infighting and avoid a scandal that causes a collapse in support.

It's not unheard of for one of the two major parties to cease to be a thing (See the Whigs, Radicals, and the Liberals).

Will Reform win a majority outright? I would say it's unlikely. But I would bet they will receive stronger support at the next election as Labour fails to dramatically improve the wellbeing and wallets of the working class.

The same people who, after decades of collapse under Thatcherism, then neglect by Blairism, and finally being squeezed by Austerity, through their support behind Brexit and Brexitiers like Boris and Farage because they peddled xenophobic-flavoured Hopium.

They'll do it again, because with the weight of the rightwing media serving up easy to understand slogans when these people barely have enough energy left for analysing political discourse and policies after worrying about the roof over their head and having enough food in their bellies.

For the Tories to cease to be a party they'd have to lose MPs and financial backers, that is unlikely to happen within a single election unless the Tories sustain huge losses.

What I bet will happen is that they get enough votes in this election to become the official opposition IF they form a coalition with the Conservative Party. Farage will use the opportunity to mold the Tory party in his image with a potential merger when they see their approval numbers increase under his guidance and then the next election will lead them to victory.

He's betting that the conditions of the working class will continue to worsen due to growing inequality, that the refugee crisis will worsen due to climate change, and that his media friends will be able to manage the narrative long enough to get him into No. 10.

[–] WhyYesZoidberg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

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