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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Sadly this is also the case with most other big tech corporations. Seriously fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I noticed the article me tioned that the women told the police that they communicated over Facebook Messenger. I wonder what prompted them to spill the beans, or if they were unaware of the implications of telling them how they communicated about the situation. If this is true, it doesn't sound like the police is sending warrants for everyone online to request their data, but it still makes me very cautious about unencrypted messaging

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’m pretty sure self-aborting and burying a stillborn baby is against the law regardless of the status of Roe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, but the lack of legal options is what leads to these types of crimes. The 20 week abortion restriction in Nebraska was already the case prior to Roe being overturned, but has since been changed to 12 weeks. It still highlights the fact that more women are going to be prosecuted for crimes that they wouldn't be committing if they had any legal option.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is 100% true, but also this is less of a Facebook bad issue and more of a state law issue.

Facebook was subpoenaed to provide this info, they didn't willingly hand it over. I'd be interested to see how many lemmings here jumping down the meta bad rabbithole would have the stones to ignore a subpoena lmao.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would I compare myself to a multi-billion dollar corporation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Someone somewhere along the chain of command would have to give the order to ignore the subpoena. That person would presumably be held responsible as an individual, just like you or me.

They could get contempt of court charges and spend time in jail, pretty much arbitrarily long - as long as judge feels

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well it could have been end to end encrypted leaving no way to turn anything over. It's like turning over someones mail after it has been delivered because you made a copy of everything that came through.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Welp! So much for using facebook

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How's that end-to-end encryption working out?

Doesn't matter if the company doing the e2e can get your messages.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

but fb messenger is not e2e encrypted at all. If the company is doing e2e then they can't read your messages

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is true, FB messenger is as open as it will get with seeing your messages, WhatsApp is dubious too so either Signal or Session are best e2e messenger apps imo.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is if you enable secret messages for a conversation, I believe, but not the default chat mode. In either case people should use other apps.

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