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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Bringing over aio's comment from the end of last week's stubsack:

This week the WikiMedia Foundation tried to gather support for adding LLM summaries to the top of every Wikipedia article. The proposal was overwhelmingly rejected by the community, but the WMF hasn't gotten the message, saying that the project has been "paused". It sounds like they plan to push it through regardless.

Way down in the linked wall o' text, there's a comment by "Chaotic Enby" that struck me:

Another summary I just checked, which caused me a lot more worries than simple inaccuracies: Cambrian. The last sentence of that summary is "The Cambrian ended with creatures like myriapods and arachnids starting to live on land, along with early plants.", which already sounds weird: we don't have any fossils of land arthropods in the Cambrian, and, while there has been a hypothesis that myriapods might have emerged in the Late Cambrian, I haven't heard anything similar being proposed about arachnids. But that's not the worrying part.

No, the issue is that nowhere in the entire Cambrian article are myriapods or arachnids mentioned at all. Only one sentence in the entire article relates to that hypothesis: "Molecular clock estimates have also led some authors to suggest that arthropods colonised land during the Cambrian, but again the earliest physical evidence of this is during the following Ordovician". This might indicate that the model is relying on its own internal knowledge, and not just on the contents of the article itself, to generate an "AI overview" of the topic instead.

Further down the thread, there's a comment by "Gnomingstuff" that looks worth saving:

There was an 8-person community feedback study done before this (a UI/UX text using the original Dopamine summary), and the results are depressing as hell. The reason this was being pushed to prod sure seems to be the cheerleading coming from 7 out of those 8 people: "Humans can lie but AI is unbiased," "I trust AI 100%," etc.

Perhaps the most depressing is this quote -- "This also suggests that people who are technically and linguistically hyper-literate like most of our editors, internet pundits, and WMF staff will like the feature the least. The feature isn't really "for" them" -- since it seems very much like an invitation to ignore all of us, and to dismiss any negative media coverage that may ensue (the demeaning "internet pundits").

Sorry for all the bricks of text here, this is just so astonishingly awful on all levels and everything that I find seems to be worse than the last.

Another comment by "CMD" evaluates the summary of the dopamine article mentioned there:

The first sentence is in the article. However, the second sentence mentions "emotion", a word that while in a couple of reference titles isn't in the article at all. The third sentence says "creating a sense of pleasure", but the article says "In popular culture and media, dopamine is often portrayed as the main chemical of pleasure, but the current opinion in pharmacology is that dopamine instead confers motivational salience", a contradiction. "This neurotransmitter also helps us focus and stay motivated by influencing our behavior and thoughts". Where is this even from? Focus isn't mentioned in the article at all, nor is influencing thoughts. As for the final sentence, depression is mentioned a single time in the article in what is almost an extended aside, and any summary would surely have picked some of the examples of disorders prominent enough to be actually in the lead.

So that's one of five sentences supported by the article. Perhaps the AI is hallucinating, or perhaps it's drawing from other sources like any widespread llm. What it definitely doesn't seem to be doing is taking existing article text and simplifying it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

but the WMF hasn't gotten the message, saying that the project has been "paused". It sounds like they plan to push it through regardless.

Classic “Yes” / “ask me later”. You hate to see it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The thing that galls me here even more than other slop is that there isn't even some kind of horrible capitalist logic underneath it. Like, what value is this supposed to create? Replacing the leads written by actual editors, who work for free? You already have free labor doing a better job than this, why would you compromise the product for the opportunity to spend money on compute for these LLM not-even-actually-summaries? Pure brainrot.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Some AI company waving a big donation outside of the spotlight? Dorks trying to burnish their resumes?

Ya gotta think it's going to lead to a rebellion.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe someone has put into their heads that they have to "go with the times", because AI is "inevitable" and "here to stay". And if they don't adapt, AI would obsolete them. That Wikipedia would become irrelevant because their leadership was hostile to "progress" and rejected "emerging technology", just like Wikipedia obsoleted most of the old print encyclopedia vendors. And one day they would be blamed for it, because they were stuck in the past at a crucial moment. But if they adopt AI now, they might imagine, one day they will be praised as the visionaries who carried Wikipedia over to the next golden age of technology.

Of course all of that is complete bullshit. But instilling those fears ("use it now, or you will be left behind!") is a big part of the AI marketing messaging which is blasted everywhere non-stop. So I wouldn't be surprised if those are the brainworms in their heads.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

That's probably true, but it also speaks to Ed Zitron's latest piece about the rise of the Business Idiot. You can explain why Wikipedia disrupted previous encyclopedia providers in very specific terms: crowdsourced production to volunteer editors cuts costs massively and allows the product to be delivered free (which also increases the pool of possible editors and improves quality), and the strict* adherence to community standards and sourcing guidelines prevents the worse loss of truth and credibility that you may expect.

But there is no such story that I can find for how Wikipedia gets disrupted by Gen AI. At worst it becomes a tool in the editor's belt, but the fundamental economics and structure just aren't impacted. But if you're a business idiot then you can't actually explain it either way and so of course it seems plausible

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Example #"I've lost count" of LLMs ignoring instructions and operating like the bullshit spewing machines they are.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So, I've been spending too much time on subreddits with heavy promptfondler presence, such as /r/singularity, and the reddit algorithm keeps recommending me subreddit with even more unhinged LLM hype. One annoying trend I've noted is that people constantly conflate LLM-hybrid approaches, such as AlphaGeometry or AlphaEvolve (or even approaches that don't involve LLMs at all, such as AlphaFold) with LLMs themselves. From their they act like of course LLMs can [insert things LLMs can't do: invent drugs, optimize networks, reliably solve geometry exercise, etc.].

Like I saw multiple instances of commenters questioning/mocking/criticizing the recent Apple paper using AlphaGeometry as a counter example. AlphaGeometry can actually solve most of the problems without an LLM at all, the LLM component replaces a set of heuristics that make suggestions on proof approaches, the majority of the proof work is done by a symbolic AI working with a rigid formal proof system.

I don't really have anywhere I'm going with this, just something I noted that I don't want to waste the energy repeatedly re-explaining on reddit, so I'm letting a primal scream out here to get it out of my system.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Relatedly, the gathering of (useful, actually works in real life, can be used to make products that turn a profit or that people actually want, and sometimes even all of the above at the same time) computer vision and machine learning and LLMs under the umbrella of “AI” is something I find particularly galling.

The eventual collapse of the AI bubble and the subsequent second AI winter is going to take a lot of useful technology with it that had the misfortune to be standing a bit too close to LLMs.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Did you know there’s a new fork of xorg, called x11libre? I didn’t! I guess not everyone is happy with wayland, so this seems like a reasonable

It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies.. [snip]

Together we'll make X great again!

Oh dear. Project members are of course being entirely normal about the whole thing.

Metux, one of the founding contributors, is Enrico Weigelt, who has reasonable opinions like everyone except the nazis were the real nazis in WW2, and also had an anti vax (and possibly eugenicist) rant on the linux kernel mailing list, as you do.

In sure it’ll be fine though. He’s a great coder.

(links were unashamedly pillaged from this mastodon thread: https://nondeterministic.computer/@mjg59/114664107545048173)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ok, maybe someone can help me here figure something out.

I've wondered for a long time about a strange adjacency which I sometimes observe between what I call (due to lack of a better term) "unix conservativism" and fascism. It's the strange phenomenon where ideas about "classic" and "pure" unix systems coincide with the worst politics. For example the "suckless" stuff. Or the ramblings of people like ESR. Criticism of systemd is sometimes infused with it (yes, there is plenty of valid criticism as well. But there's this other kind of criticism I've often seen, which is icky and weirdly personal). And I've also seen traces of this in discussions of programming languages newer than C, especially when topics like memory safety come up.

This is distinguished from retro computing and nostalgia and such, those are unrelated. If someone e.g. just likes old unix stuff, that's not what I mean.

You may already notice, I struggle a bit to come up with a clear definition and whether there really is a connection or just a loose set of examples that are not part of a definable set. So, is there really something there or am I seeing a connection that doesn't exist?

I've also so far not figured out what might create the connection. Ideas I have come up with are: appeal to times that are gone (going back to an idealized computing past that never existed), elitism (computers must not become user friendly), ideas of purity (an imaginary pure "unix philosophy").

Anyway, now with this new xlibre project, there's another one that fits into it...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think the common ground is a fear of loss of authority to which they feel entitled. They learned the "old" ways of SysV RC, X11, etc. etc. and that is their domain of expertise, in which they fear being surpassed or obsoleted. From there, it's easy to combine that fear with the fears stoked by adjacent white/male supremacist identity politics and queerphobia, plus the resentment already present from stupid baby slapfights like vi vs emacs or systemd vs everything else, and generate a new asshole identity in which they feel temporarily secure. Fear of loss of status drives all of this.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nostalgia has a lowkey reactionary impulse part(see also why those right wing reactionary gamer streamers who do ten hour reactive criticize a movie streams have their backgrounds filled with consumer nerd media toys (and almost never books)) and fear of change is also a part of conservatism. 'Engineering minds' who think they can solve things, and have a bit more rigid thinking also tend to be attracted to more extremist ideologies (which usually seems to have more rigid rules and lesser exceptions), which also leads back to the problem where people like this are bad at not realizing their minds are not typical (I can easily use a console so everyone else can and should). So it makes sense to me. Not sure if the ui thing is elitism or just a strong desire to create and patrol the borders of an ingroup. (But isnt that just what elitism is?)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

I sometimes feel that I, as someone who also likes retro computing and even deliberately uses old software because it feels familiar and cozy to me, and because it's often easier to hack and tweak (in the same way that someone would prefer a vintage car they can maintenance themselves, I guess), I get thrown in with these people -- and yes, I also find it super hard to put a finger on it.

I also feel they're very prominent in the Vim community for the exact same reasons you mentioned. I like Vim, I use it daily and it's my favorite editor because it's what I am used to and I know how to tweak it, and I can't be bothered to use anything else (except Emacs, but only with evil-mode), but fuck me if Vim evangelists aren't some of the most obnoxious people online.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't have much to add, other than I first became aware of this connection when Freenode imploded. I wrote in a short essay that

[the] dominant ideology of new Freenode is free speech, anti-LGBT, and adherence to fringe Unix shibboleths such as anti-systemd, anti-Codes of Conduct, and anti anti-RMS.

(src)

Maybe it's connected to the phenomenon of old counter-cultural activist become massive racists.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The whole Linux userbase loves x11libre, an initiative to preserve X11 alive as an alternative to Wayland! 5 seconds later We regret to inform you x11libre guy is a Nazi apologist

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

milkshakeLibre

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

New Zitron dropped, and, fuck, I feel this one in my bones.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What does the “better” version of ChatGPT look like, exactly? What’s cool about ChatGPT? [...] Because the actual answer is “a ChatGPT that actually works.” [...] A better ChatGPT would quite literally be a different product.

This is the heart of recognizing so much of the bullshit in the tech field. I also want to make sure that our friends in the Ratsphere get theirs for their role in enabling everyone to pretend there's a coherent path between the current state of LLMs and that hypothetical future where they can actually do things.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

hacker news is illiterate

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44245053

I question whether or not some of these commenters have a theory of mind. The product under discussion is a horror show of reified solipsism. For the commenters, books are merely the written form of the mouth noises they use to get other meat robots to do things and which are sometimes entertaining when piled up in certain ways.

"Words or bodies?" you might ask. Yes.

PS: channeling the spiritu drilum

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44246874

You cannot stop people from making the world worse or better. The best you can do is focus on your own life.

In time many will say we are lucky to live in a world with so much content, where anything you want to see or read can be spun up in an instant, without labor.

And though most will no longer make a living doing some of these content creation activities by hand and brain, you can still rejoice knowing that those who do it anyway are doing it purely for their love of the art, not for any kind of money. A human who writes or produces art for monetary reasons is only just as bad as AI.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

so much content

The choice of, or instinctive reaching for, the word content speaks volumes.

where anything you want to see or read can be spun up in an instant, without labor.

"Without labor," sure.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I don't have the headspace to sneer it properly at this moment, but this article fucking goes places might even be worthy of its own techtakes post

Shawn Schneider — a 22-year-old who dropped out of his Christian high school, briefly attended community college, dropped out again, and earlier this year founded a marketing platform for generative AI — tells me college is outdated. Skipping it, for him, is as efficient as it is ideological. "It signals DEI," he says. "It signals, basically, woke and compromised institutions. At least in the circles I run in, the sentiment is like they should die."

Schneider says the women from his high school in Idaho were "so much better at doing what the teacher asks, and that was just not what I was good at or what the other masculine guys I knew were good at." He's married with two children, a girl and a boy, which has made him realize that schools should be separated by gender to "make men more manly, and women more feminine."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That was one wild read even worse than I was expecting. Holy sexism Batman, the incel to tech pipeline is real.

"In college, you don't learn the building skills that you need for a startup," Tan says of his decision. "You're learning computer science theory and stuff like that. It's just not as helpful if you want to go into the workforce."

I remember when a large part of the university experience was about meeting people, experiencing freedom from home for the first time before being forced into the 9-5 world, and broadening your horizon in general. But maybe that's just the European perspective.

In any case, these people are so fucking startup-brained that it hurts to think about.

Now 25, Guild dropped out of high school in the 10th grade to continue building a Minecraft server he says generated hundreds of thousands of dollars in profit.

Serious question: how? Isn't Minecraft free to play and you can just host servers yourself on your computer? I tried to search up "how to make money off a Minecraft server" and was (of course) met with an endless list of results of LLM slop I could not bear to read more than one paragraph of.

Amid political upheaval and global conflict, Palantir applicants are questioning whether college still serves the democratic values it claims to champion, York says. "The success of Western civilization," she argues, "does not seem to be what our educational institutions are tuned towards right now."

Yes, because Palantir is such a beacon of defending democratic values and not a techfash shithouse at all.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Uni is also a good place to learn to fail. A uni run startup imitation place can ensure both problems (guided by profs if needed) and teach people how to do better, without being in the pockets of VCs also better hours, and parties.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

In the Year of Our Lord 2025 how does anyone, much less a published journalist, not recognize "Western Civilization" as a dog whistle for white (or at least European) supremacy rather than having anything to do with representative government or universal human rights or whatever people like to pretend.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Turns out some Silicon Valley folk are unhappy that a whole load of waymos got torched, fantasised that the cars could just gun down the protesters, and use genai video to bring their fantasies to some vague approximation of “life”

https://xcancel.com/venturetwins/status/1931929828732907882

The author, Justine Moore is an investment partner at a16z. May her future ventures be incendiary and uninsurable.

(via garbageday.email)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

What is it with every fucking veo3 video being someone talking to the camera?! Artificial slop model tuned on humanmade slop.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Couple months ago I saw a flurry of posts from far-right accounts going 'Jeffrey Epstein Innocent (he didn't do it).' Now it's morphing into 'Jeffrey Epstein Innocent (he DID do it, but ackshually it's ephebaphilia and if ONLY someone would do something about those pesky Age of Consent laws...)'

PS: AT deleted her post, fortunately someone saved it to Internet Archive

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

"Cursor YOLO deleted everything in my computer":

Hi everyone - as a previous context I’m an AI Program Manager at J&J and have been using Cursor for personal projects since March.

Yesterday I was migrating some of my back-end configuration from Express.js to Next.js and Cursor bugged hard after the migration - it tried to delete some old files, didn’t work at the first time and it decided to end up deleting everything on my computer, including itself. I had to use EaseUS to try to recover the data, but didn’t work very well also. Lucky I always have everything on my Google Drive and Github, but it still scared the hell out of me.

Now I’m allergic to YOLO mode and won’t try it anytime soon again. Does anyone had any issue similar than this or am I the first one to have everything deleted by AI?

The response:

Hi, this happens quite rarely but some users do report it occasionally.

My T-shirt is raising questions already answered, etc.

(via)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In other news, reports of AI images turning everything yellow have made it to Know Your Meme.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

I'm pretty sure there are some other factors he's gonna need to sort out before having kids is even an actual question. For example, finding a woman who wants to have his kids and let him fuck with their infant brains.

Also given how we see the brain develop in cases of traumatic injury I would expect to see that neuroplasticity route around any kind of implant under most circumstances. Nerves aren't wires and you can't just plug 'em in and wait for a software patch.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

what kind of semen retention scheme is this

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

No Nut Neuravember

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ran across this, just quickly wanted to scream infinitely

(as an aside, I've also recently (finally) joined the ACM, and clicking around in that has so far been .... quite the experience. I actually want to make a bigger post about it later on, because it is worth more than a single-comment sneer)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago
  • You will understand how to use AI tools for real-time employee engagement analysis
  • You will create personalized employee development plans using AI-driven analytics
  • You will learn to enhance employee well-being programs with AI-driven insights and recommendations

You will learn to create the torment nexus

  • You will prepare your career for your future work in a world with robots and AI

You will learn to live in the torment nexus

  • You will gain expertise in ethical considerations when implementing AI in HR practices

I assume it's a single slide that says "LOL who cares"

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