I go max 15 MPH on my escooter
How fast is it capable of going? If it's 20mph or less (same as a Class 2 e-bike, which is typically the max allowed on multi-use paths) then I'm fine with it.
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I go max 15 MPH on my escooter
How fast is it capable of going? If it's 20mph or less (same as a Class 2 e-bike, which is typically the max allowed on multi-use paths) then I'm fine with it.
15 is the max for this little one!
I'm in Canada but I would definitely say the scooters in the bike lane are no more trouble than a slower cyclist. Scoot a away!
yes, we have a bikeshare network here in Estonia
There are bike lanes in the US?
Not here. More annoyed about them on side walks than bike lanes.
I was behind someone on an escooter on my city's multi-use paths lately. Neither of us was supposed to be there, and no one cares, nor is the street a good option for either of us, me on my class 3 ebike and them on their electric scooter. I just make sure to stay under 20 on paths and to ring before passing anyone so i don't startle them (or their dogs). You sound very considerate, so as long as you are going the right direction, I think you should be okay.
Speed in MPH? Totally fine then.
In Seattle they are illegal to ride on sidewalks or streets signed >25MPH.
I wouldn't mind you using the lane, especially with how considerate you are!
As long as you're matching speed of (bike) traffic and not salmoning you're fine.
Please don't go on the sidewalk, it's unsafe for both you and pedestrians.
Oh more like I slow down to walk on sidewalk if bike lane traffic is too much.
The best place for electric scooters on most city streets is in the regular traffic lanes. This is also the best place for bicycles in most cities. Unless your particular city and route have actually safe bike lanes, you're better off just acting like any other vehicle, using the regular traffic lanes, and following all traffic laws and signs.
(Yes, you're slower than cars; but so is a horse rider, and they've been allowed on city streets since long before cars existed.)
Many sorts of "bike lane" make the streets less safe for cyclists and scooter users. Lanes that are also used as streetside parking are not safe, as attempting to use them requires swerving in and out between parked cars. Narrow lanes that are adjacent to streetside parking are not safe, because of the "door zone" problem. "Lanes" that are really part of the gutter are not safe, because they accumulate debris (tire chunks, mufflers, road sand) -- all of which are much more dangerous for cyclists and scooter users than for drivers.
There do exist high-quality bike lanes in some cities. They are clearly marked and separated from the regular traffic lanes (sometimes with barriers); they don't share space with streetside parking; they often have their own traffic signals.
If there are safe bike lanes, then yes, they're an appropriate choice for electric scooters. The reason for this is that the speed, maneuverability, and vulnerability of electric scooters are much closer to those of bicycles than to either cars or pedestrians.
But if there aren't safe bike lanes on the specific route you need to take, just use the "slowest" (in most of the world, rightmost) regular traffic lane. Most of the time, be in the center of this lane, not hugging the right edge; this makes you more visible, keeps you out of the "door zone", etc. You may move right to allow faster traffic (i.e. cars, trucks, motorcycles) to pass, if it is safe to do so.
(Note: In some places, such as California, cyclists are required to stay to the right insofar as it is safe. This does not mean biking in the gutter or "door zone", because those are never safe.)
Like bicycles, electric scooters should never be ridden on city sidewalks adjacent to buildings. This is because of the risk of colliding with pedestrians coming out of building doors. Blind pedestrians, very elderly pedestrians, pedestrians pushing delivery carts, nearsighted pedestrians who have lost their glasses, and other pedestrians with limited eyesight are all legitimate users of sidewalks. Do not expect that pedestrians can see or dodge. When using pedestrian features such as sidewalks or crosswalks, both cyclists and scooter users should dismount and walk their vehicle.
Yes, you’re slower than cars; but so is a horse rider, and they’ve been allowed on city streets since long before cars existed
"Allowed" isn't really the most important metric for me when I'm trying to work out where to ride. I'm mostly interested in being less likely to be hit by a car. It sucks for me and the pedestrian if I hit a pedestrian. It sucks if I come off my bike from hitting a piece of rubbish in the kerb and channel alongside the road. But I die if I get hit by a car who isn't paying attention when I'm in a car lane, even if I'm doing everything right.
Like bicycles, electric scooters should never be ridden on city sidewalks adjacent to buildings.
In my city, it's illegal to ride a scooter on the road (aside from dedicated bike lanes). If there is no dedicated bike lane, then the sidewalk is where you are legally required to use the scooter.
seems kinda concerning u would be drive on the sidewalk if it werent shit. the side walk is for pedastrians to who u pose a serious threat. over here ppl with e shooter always take the bike lane or road (like a bike). after all they are a lot closer to a bike than a pedestrian
Reading the comments I think I’m in the minority but you did ask so I’ll be candid and honest. I’ll also try my best to be respectful.
E-bikes and e-scooters drive me nuts. They can definitely be an annoyance, and sometimes a safety concern in bike lanes due to the fact that most riders of these electric machines are new to riding on the road, but that’s not even what makes me upset.
I just don’t get why people don’t invest in a good, correctly fitted bicycle. They are cheaper (often by an order of magnitude or two), easy to maintain, keep you healthy, use standardized, readily available parts, will never go obsolete, don’t need a charger, don’t contribute to e-waste, and are completely ubiquitous. I just don’t get why people don’t ride bikes. They are so amazing! Ever since I was a kid I have been completely obsessed, and now well into my thirties I am still a total nerd about bikes. I don’t think there is anything better than a good bike ride.
The part that confuses me the most about e-bikes is the serviceability. Who is fixing these things? All of the bike mechanic/nerd friends of mine won’t touch them with a 10 foot pole. Do bike mechanics now have to familiarize themselves with high voltage lithium ion batteries? Is there a standard for these batteries? If a manufacturer decides to go proprietary, and then decide to stop making e-bikes, or goes bankrupt, is your e-bike now e-waste? The whole thing makes me confused as to why we tried to fix a problem that was not a problem. Bikes just work.
I think a lot of people have bad experiences riding bikes because their last experience was with an uncomfortable, poorly sized, heavy bike. But the feeling of riding a light, correctly sized, comfortable bike is truly divine. In my opinion it’s on par with good sex.
BTW - of course there is a good reason for some seniors or people with disabilities to use something like this, but that is not the target that I am referring to.
So when I see an e-bike or an e-scooter I get upset on principle. And then when they do something dangerous like speed past me or ride the wrong direction in a bike lane I become infuriated. But maybe the world is changing and I should to. But I tell you what I am not ready for bikes to be replaced with e-bikes.
A small point but a legit one. I have two e-scooters and I like them a lot. One point on cost, the cheaper one was around $700 and is a phenomenal commuter. The other one is still a commuter, but with more powerful motors for my very hilly area. That one was around $1400. There are mid ranges bikes (in the total scale of bikes) that cost what both my scooters do together.
In this way, e-bikes and e-scooters should be seen very differently imo.
My daily driver bicycle cost $150CAD, is older than I am, and I have replaced almost all of the out-of-date parts for modern parts for a few more hundred bucks. All well under $500CAD, including my Honjo fenders. A lot of the parts I got for free or a few bucks at my local community bike shop.
Any bicycle more than $1500 is for high performance or enthusiast riding and the average commuter has no need to consider purchasing that. I also own a Marinoni (hand built in Montreal by an Italian world renowned frame builder) with full Campagnolo Record (read: top spec) components and it cost $2500 CAD. Sure, there are bikes worth more than that, and for good reason, (my pro-cyclist friend rides a $12000 bike) but if you’re not competitive (or a dentist) there is no point.
My point being that $500 is more than enough to get you a very nice bike, as long as you are willing to buy used and put some TLC into it.
What I'm saying is that $500 is enough to get you a brand new e-scooter that will go similar-to-bike speeds with no deal hunting, no mods, and a warranty. They're also foldable, portable on to most public trans (inside) or into "the office", and have virtually no maintenance.
No hate on bikes. I have a couple of very nice bikes (not as nice as that Marinoni to be fair). But let's not act like you're reliability getting places for <$500. And even if you do, not everyone can. Solutions need to be repeatable.
Edit: also to be fair, I am talking $500 USD. But if you go with a used scooter here you could probably do around $500 CAD equivalent.
Had a good bike. It was in my bike shed pretty much unused for years. Bought my first e-bike some years ago and sold my car some time ago after not using it.
I live in Finland close to city centre with a shopping center nearby, so e-bike covers most of my needs. Occasionally I need to rent a car or loan one from a friend. I ride my e-bike throughout the year. Just need to replace the tires with studded tires for winter and drive a bit more carefully when there is ice/snow. I am pretty sure my e-bike I actually keeps me in better shape than the good regular bike I had, that I kept in the shed.
9km (6miles) to city center to the office, and it takes me 21min to get there on an e-bike (could not be arsed to commute with regular bike as there are quite a few ascends and descends). Bus 31min and car would be around that as well.
Service is not a problem either. Any bike shop fixes them here at least and there are specialized shops for e-bikes as well if you have something more exotic or think you need a specialized one. Most of the bikes here are fitted with Bosch or Shimano systems anyway so there is not much need for specializing.
Granted, I am closer to a senior than a teenager.
To the OP: We have a ton of e-scooters here. Both rental ones (multiple operators) and private ones and I do not mind them on a bike lane. We both are limited to 25kmh (15mph) assist, but I do go a bit faster as I can still pedal where they can not. Infact, it is also the law that they need to use bike lane if one is available. They are not to use sidewalk. They are analoguous to bikes in our road law.
Bigger problem than scooters on the bike lane are the pedestrians on the bike lane in the city centre at least. People walking with their noses on their cell phones not paying attention to the divider and just walking in the middle of the very well marked bike lanes.