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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Price hikes for what, Lenovo? I’m still waiting for them to send me my Legion Go S SteamOS edition that I preordered on day one.

Edit for context: it was supposed to be in my hands May 25th.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Pre-ordering physical goods is fine, especially if you expect a price hike and supply limitations after launch. I wouldn't, but I can see how it would make sense.

It's the digital goods that make no goddamn sense to buy before they're out. They're not limited in supply, and their return window is often too small.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

As long as i can chargeback on my credit card I have no problems preordering (couple months out at most though, lol at people doing long term pre orders) I have no problem. Digital goods can fuck right on off. So many slimy tactics.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Meh.
Yes, for already announced limited runs of physical items that you know the quality off (say merch from artists) it's more fine than for mainly digital goods.
And, I have to agree, such a broad blanket statement is not really applicable to every type of purchase or life situation.

To be fully transparent: Even I participated in pre-orders. Off the top I can only remember some artist merch items like CDs I pre-heard some tracks and know what to expect from it and the Kickstarter for the uGreen NAS. But even for the uGreen NAS I knew the specs, price and if It's compatible with what I want to do before committing.
For any other purchase I waited patiently.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I never pre-order, and I am not advocating for pre-ordering, but just curious, can’t the item just be returned if the customer is not satisfied?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I pre-ordered the Steam Deck.

That is the only thing I did in the last decade.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Do you even know why you're saying that? Physical goods that need to be manufactured and delivered are literally exactly what you should be pre-ordering

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes and no.
Yes it can make sense fpr physical goods.
No, it's not a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

So no. I was hoping my question would prompt you to consider it

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well… the switch2 just came out - what did they expect?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Would still get a 1k steamdeck over a 600€ still overpriced switch 2 with 80€ rereleased crap. With vulnerabilities found in the first week of launch.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

These are completely different devices for different use cases for different audiences with wildly different tastes. Nintendo hasn't been in the "core" gaming space since before the Wii.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They're sure pricing themselves to be in the "core" gaming space now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm not sure if the price matters that much to the demographic. Their main target audience isn't gonna consider a handheld gaming PC to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Main target audience: Children with rich parents.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You can spend more on mobile game mtx than a full triple A experience including the console and in fact most people do which is why the "core" is an ever shrinking slice of the pie that to GenA probably doesn't even make any sense.

The price doesn't really matter, my point is that you're not buying a Nintendo switch to play GTA 6 and you're not buying a steam deck to play Warioware Inc.

(Well, I am, because I've never given them any money nor plan to and think Nintendo peaked way back in either the SNES or the GBA era and I neither had nor knew what a Nintendo even was as a kid).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

A handheld PC isn't cheaper to buy, and most console gamers aren't buying a ton of games either (like PC gamers do), so the total cost of ownership for a switch 2 probably still stays under the total cost of ownership for a handheld PC.

Edit: To clarify my point, the average Switch user owns 9 titles according to official Nintendo sales figures. This includes cheap indie titles. (Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html)

Outside of PC, it's not normal that the average user has a backlog of hundreds of games.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Wait, what?

First of all, PC gamers don't buy a ton of games.

PC is the number one piracy platform for starters, seeing as it requires no jailbreaks and the like.

Secondly, PC gamers tend to own a lot of games legitimately because our gaming library doesn't expire with a console generation, and because our steam libraries consist of many many indie games that cost a few bucks each, not a few $50 AAA releases.

My steam library is about 435-ish games. But that's since 2013.

The total value of the account per steamdb is like £1080, this is a vast over-estimate because I used to live in a country where the entire GTA series before 5 cost £0.20, but let's go with £1080.

If I bought £1080 worth of standard £60 games, I'd only have 18 games. That's actually less than I even had for the PS Vita, and most people would be surprised to know that platform even has that many games.

Between the online fees and subscriptions to PS Plus etc., lacking discounts compared to steam, and the inability to pirate even an extremely high end PC tends to be far, far cheaper in the long run than a console, especially since it also doubles as the TV, the music player, the work and hobby computer, etc etc.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

and lost it after the Wii U.

Switch was the last in the line of "inovation" and now they go for the cash grab.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As much as I don’t enjoy Nintendo games and consoles anymore, I don’t think you can blame them for not creating new experiences.

Even the Switch 2 is creating a new way to play with its controls.

You can’t really say this about the Playstation 5 (which I own) or the Series X.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

As if any other OS has no vulnerabilities?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Especially considering what's classified as a vulnerability.

The vulnerability on the switch let's you execute unsigned code in user space, no kernel access or even hardware acceleration.

On the steam deck (like on any PC) that's nit called a vulnerability but "running a program". It's literally the main use case.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And on Switch, it's forbidden typically. Which is part of why people advocate for the Steam Deck instead. From Nintendo's perspective, this very much is a vulnerability. It's just not leading to custom firmware or ROM dumps from what I understand, so it's not even close to the most significant vulnerability.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really want to root for Nintendo but they make it hard.

Opening up my steam library from a console was such a big WTF moment and then being able to suspend games was so mind-blowing.

It's still not that beefy for triple-A but I'm considering getting GeForce Now running on it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If i am honest i dont have any games that DONT run on. It can run cyberpunk, baldurs gate, a lot other AAA / Indie games.

If it doesnt run, the devs did something SPECIAL to f*ck steamdeck / linux users.

The suspend game feature is probably the biggest player, especially when its idle it doesnt use any power ( except of course the common battery drain ) in comparison to windows "sleep" it just blacks out the screen and maybe run a little less background tasks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Same, though I hope the SD2 had some more power, I would like to play on a 1080p (or even 1440p) monitor with mouse and keyboard without sacrificing framerate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You just asked for a desktop pc tho.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Why not both in one device? We are getting closer and closer to that being possible.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You would do that probably because you have a huge Steam library but many Switch users have a huge Switch library and want that performance upgrade. You and me are not their target audience but it remains to be seen if the Switch 2 will flop or exactly what Nintendo fans want right now. There‘s a huge difference between paying 600€ and 1000€ for hardware that‘s pretty much toe to toe anyway. If I wanted a Steamdeck I sure as hell wouldn‘t buy one right now but wait a little longer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Toe to Toe? At least the steamdeck can run Crysis. Switch not, easy Steamdeck win.

Performance upgrade on a already locked on 60fps ( some 30 ) games? on default on a LCD display? That they didnt even considered default on OLED display is just .... cash grabby.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

And the switch 2 can run the new mario kart and the steam deck not.

Both of these games don't run on the other platform because they are exclusives, not because the hardware can't handle it. So what's your point?

It's just confirming what the guy you replied to was saying: if you have steam games and want to run steam games, get a steam deck. If you have switch games and want to run switch games, get a switch.

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