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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

I hope Matrix is not on its way to becoming Discord

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Matrix org isn't obligated to run a public instance at all - they could stick to developing the spec, and let other people run instances.

And honestly maybe they should, because then we wouldn't have this huge consolidation problem on matrix.org in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

i think the main problem was that when matrix was blowing up, matrix.org was the promoted server to sign up on.

i don't have a problem with this as it's just one server and you can always hop on another server if you like, though.

which reminds me, i do need to find another matrix (preferably queer focused) instance since i was on matrix.org

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

oohh, looks up! thx! :3

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I think there were two reasons for that. One was that without centralized server where element could flash nunbers in front of VC there would not be much funding just like other open source protocols like xmpp experience. It also attracted more people because you didn't have to think of servers or bother with the whole federation concept (just join the main server, as everyone is there already).

Additionally matrix is pretty good distributed database but imo horrible chat protocol. It's extremely heavy on resources making other small servers impossible to compete or run on the same terms as the big ones. Back in the days I was running one of the top 5 size matrix server but I realized that the ever growing database, load issues when users joining large rooms and ton of other problems all, I went back to xmpp. It made me realized how crazy expensive and unsustainable in long run was running essentially text chat app became, and that could be better spent elewhere. Matrix is basically not designed for the purpose it's pushed for. It might be great as a communication platform in a organization or corporation or government agency ( you can accurately track the room state from its inception so great to have an overview of who, when, what). For fedi-like chat servers XMPP which can run on a potatoe is much better choice. Both from financial perspective (as your small server joining a big room does not affect you cause you don't need to replicate the room state essentially killing your server), but also environmental (its light and scales depending on your community needs better).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Premium, dude!

Jokes aside, fuck this shit.

[–] [email protected] 134 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (20 children)

Not trying to be a dick but the Executive Director can take a fucking pay cut.

I found a reddit thread from 4 months ago where he said his salary was $170k/year. I'm not saying he is making obscene money, but if that's nearly 15% of all operating costs he can shave that down to $80k-$100k and still live comfortably if he's willing to accept a more austere standard of living.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be paid well, but he's getting a damn sight better pay than moderators and community managers who seem to make up 50% of the budget for multiple people: the trust and safety team as well as the other employees at the foundation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

To be fair, that's the lowest executive salary I've seen in a looong time.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 days ago (9 children)

170k for running a company? Shit. I wouldn't do that. You can make just as much being a halfway competent developer, and it's way less stress.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess you live in the USA? No one makes this amount of money

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

Funnily enough, it shows the localised amount.

For me in France it shows 50k€ to 69k€, so $58k to $80k at current exchange rates

It just confirms that this is USA only haha

Btw glassdoor sucks. Forces you to have an account and register work shit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And a 80k$ salary in France amounts to around 125k$ cost for the employer. So 170k$ isn't that much - I actually know French developers and network engineers that make similar money. The French ITsec architect I interviewed last year would have cost me (converted) around 150k$.

So 170k$ is absolutely not out of the normal range here.

Talking about France: The French government could start to properly support matrix.org as they use it for tChap. The same goes for Germany with the "Behördenmessenger"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So 170k$ isn’t that much

If that's the amount the company pays, then yea. If this is the amount the employee receives, then that's a lot. Like really.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As we are looking at the company expenditures here, it's the former.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Why would it display the priced paid by the company like this, when it doesn't for other countries like France though? Seems weird

Unless USA companies don't pay taxes when paying a salary? But I don't really believe that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Nah, my bad, the later. Sorry

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Just looked on that link for the UK. The average is listed as £63k, which is $85k.

So you're not exactly disproving the point that that type of high salary is a US thing.

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

Depends on what that title actually means. Viewing it as a pie chart skews it so you don't realize that $170k in USD is pretty mediocre for a Director of Engineering role. If the project dies without this person, and that's what they need in salary to make it worth it to keep them there, then that's what they get paid.

It's not like they're even making an obscene amount of money ffs. That's a middling engineering salary, and this person is running the whole show. You should see what other "director" jobs at much shittier companies get paid. I think twice this amount would be a weak guess. If this person was a prick, they'd be milking that goat and taking all the free money.

This is an open source project backed by a non-profit foundation, granted, but this person is taking a massive pay cut just by working this job. Think about how that might impact their life to make that choice while trying to have a family.

$170k salary still won't you a fucking house in this country unless you live in the middle of nowhere, and this person is almost certainly in a major tech hub city, so that money means diddly when trying to pay the bills. It's barely above the poverty line in Silicon Valley after taxes for reference.

Everyone in here complaining because they make half this and think it's a lot of money because they live in Bumfuck, Idaho has no idea what it costs to live in the larger tech hubs around the world.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

Exactly. I’m nowhere close to the top of the tech ladder, but I make more than that and still have to rent and will be renting for several more years. To buy an average house in this city, it would be like 7k/month without a 20% down payment. And household debt needs to be 30% of your total income so I would need to make $250k to even get approved for a loan for an average house in the city.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

That's probably because I live in another country which works very differently, so what I'll say is not a judgement about the veracity of your comment, but I find incredible that $14'000 a month could be in any capacity considered a mediocre salary… the French president earns that in euros!

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The Matrix.org Foundation is a non-profit and only relies on donations to operate. Its core mission is to maintain the Matrix Specification, but it does much more than that.

Non-profit… only relies on donations…

This was taken quite literally at the bottom of that article.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At some point donations become unsustainable. Like literally their options are to start charging or close up shop.

The smarter thing to do would be to rotate instances on sign-up to decentralize the Matrix-verse but it's probably too late now.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The context in the article is important. Similar to what FUTO preaches-- people don't donate. That's why corporate solutions usually win. Better to charge a bit of money so we can have nice things.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I used to have $5 on Patreon... but it seemed dead. I wrote a message asking what's up, but no response.

The whole org is a shitshow from what little pieces of info I have, still waiting for Dendride, hoping the front-ends will stabilize.

I've been using Matrix selfhosted as my primary communication tool since 2017, not connecting it to matrix.org (tried once, deleted instance afterwards), and I love it, but the org... meh.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wish the homeserver portability would be worked on more. The ability to change homeserver would really allow people to more easily move on from matrix.org.

Myself included ;).

Optimally it would even allow the switch "after the fact", so after your original homeserver is down, assuming your client has a local copy of the server-side secret storage. It would need to be based on some cryptographic identity then, I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

There's something that kinda helps with the migration: https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration

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