Kinda corny demanding that someone "explain the difference between Capital/Social/Communism and Authoritarianism". Not even a coherent demand. I wouldn't ban over it though.
Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
Posting Guidelines
All posts should follow this basic structure:
- Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
- What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
- Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
- Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
- Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
Rules
- Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
- Don’t use private communications to prove your point. We can’t verify them and they can be faked easily.
- Don’t deobfuscate mod names from the modlog with admin powers.
- Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
- Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
- You can post about power trippin’ in any social media, not just lemmy. Feel free to post about reddit or a forum etc.
- If you are the accused PTB, while you are welcome to respond, please do so within the relevant post.
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- YDM new - You Deserved More: The commenter thinks you got off too lightly.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless Mod: The mod probably just doesn't understand how their software works.
Relevant comms
There has been a tankie desant on Memes recently, may be part of the purge? Two of them praising Stalin gave me some feed for [email protected]
Based on the information provided ITT and the OP, YDI; potentially YDM.
You went overboard with "that doesn't make you look ignorant" because most people will interpret it as insulting, regardless of being true or false. On itself, that wouldn't warrant a ban, only a mod warning; and that's exactly what the mod did.
Then you kept going. Even after the mod warning. You deserved that 1d ban, and probably more. (To be frank I don't even see a 1d ban as a punishment, it's more like giving time for everyone to chill their heads.)
Don't get me wrong; I'm no saint, and I've probably said the same shit you said a thousand times. But in those situations you need to learn when to back off.
EDIT: based on this message, YDM for sure. Yes, the mod is also behaving a bit like an arsehole, but you're going full pass-aggro there.
edit: hijacking a comment near the top to say that the PTB here has stepped down as mod after their co-mods called them out in response to DMs from multiple different users complaining about the PTB's actions. Huge thank you to the other mods.
I just want to point out the comment I made that's visible in the part of the thread you linked there. I got banned for that comment, before I could reply with the evidence (of comments that I had reported, and which are still standing) that prove Wren is a liar when they claim not to have insulted anyone:
- https://aussie.zone/post/22045685/17431750
- https://aussie.zone/post/22045685/17430558
- https://aussie.zone/post/22045685/17430174
- https://aussie.zone/post/22045685/17429725
And that's before you get into the fact that they started the whole argument. With some exceptionally bad-faith idiotic whataboutism. Whether OP deserves it or not, that mod is clearly abusing their powers by provoking a reaction and then jumping on the provocation as an excuse to ban dissenting views.
I mentioned it in another comment chain, but IMO both Nay and Wren (as a user) were at fault; so while the way Wren as a mod handled Nay was correct, his behaviour as a user was really bad, and part of the reason Nay was rude - this sort of escalation takes two users*. So yes, I'm aware Wren is no voice of justice here.
About your ban, the modlog claims it to be due to "report harassment". It might be bullshit, it might be accurate, dunno; I'd need to see the reports to take any meaningful conclusion. At least your messages (here and here) look fine for me; they're a bit on the rougher side, but both were still within the acceptable IMO.
*before someone calls me out on my own behaviour: yes, I'm aware I do the same sometimes. It's also bad - I'm not pretending to be a saint either.
It might be bullshit
I mean, that mod has piped up in here claiming I reported "all their comment" (a lie) and that I did it in response to them disagreeing with my comment (another lie). So to me the answer is pretty obvious.
I can respect that. Perhaps leading by example would have prevented some of the escalation though. He might want to give himself a ban for being uncivil.
Help me with the initialisms, though?
YDI: You deserved It? What's YDM?
YDI: you deserved it. YDM: you deserved more.
Given the whole content of the thread I feel like 5d for each would be fair - it's long enough to not make it look like a slap on the wrist, but short enough to acknowledge "once the ban is over you're welcome here, but please behave better".
Perhaps leading by example would have prevented some of the escalation though. He might want to give himself a ban for being uncivil.
100% agree on that. It's the mod's responsibility to set up the civility standards in a community, and Wren themself set the bar really low. You need to be way more cool-headed in a comm you mod than one you don't.
Thanks for the reality check.
Looks like someone is ignorant of the difference between "stupid" and "ignorant."
Ignorant is insulting other users in a community that explicitly forbids it.
Stupid is failing to take the hint, doubling down and earning a temp ban, and then going after the mod in PMs.
Let me ask you a question... You've seen sports, right? I mean, maybe not as a fan or anything, but you've seen basketball, football, baseball, games, right? Even a tennis match?
You ever, once, see someone yell and scream at a ref and have the ref go "You know, you make a salient point, I changed my mind."? No. You know why? Because then EVERYONE will do it.
Ignorant is not knowing something, like the definition of ignorant.
Ignorant is correctable... Refusing to be corrected? Yeah...
Wren is a sockpuppet that was given mod authority something like 24-48 hours after account creation.
They are deeply deeply toxic.
Mod accounts are typically created specifically to be mods. I did the same thing. They asked me to be a mod from my lemmy.one account and I thought it was weird to be modding lemmy.world from lemmy.one so I spun up this account and it was made a mod.
Same thing happened with another mod (who has now been de-modded). That was a legit case of PTB where they started making unilateral changes to the community without consulting the other mods.
Sock puppet of whom?
I'm not entirely sure, but I was incredibly suspicious of this account getting modded almost immediately upon creation. My suspicion was squid, but I no longer believe that.
And maybe a sockpuppet isn't the right term. Maybe smurph or alt. Regardless, it's an account that you should be deeply, deeply suspicious of.
Political memes as a sub was captured as an echo chamber by Wren and Squid. You shouldn't post there.
Thanks for the explanation