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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Have any of the big companies released a real definition of what they mean by AGI? Because I think the meme potential of these leaked documents is being slept on.

The definition of AGI being achieved agreed on between Microsoft and OpenAI in 2023 is just: when OpenAI makes a product that raises $100B.

Seems like a fun way to shut down all the low quality philsophical wankery. Oh, AGI? You just mean $100B profit, right? That's what your lord and savior Altman means.

Maybe even something like a cloud to butt browser extension? AGI -> $100B in OpenAI profits

"What $100B in OpenAI Profits Means for the Future of Humanity"

I'm sure someone can come up with something better, but I think there's some potential here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 40 minutes ago

Actually Generate Income.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently linkedin's cofounder wrote a techno-optimist book on AI called Superagency: What Could Possibly Go Right with Our AI Future.

Zack of SMBC has thoughts on it:

[actual excerpt omitted, follow the link to read it]

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

Apparently linkedin’s cofounder wrote a techno-optimist book on AI called Superagency: What Could Possibly Go Right with Our AI Future.

This sounds like its going to be horrible

Zack of SMBC has thoughts on it:

Ah, good, I'll just take his word for it, the thought of reading it gives me psychic da-

the authors at one point note that in 1984, Big Brother's listening device means there is two way communication, and so the people have a voice. He wonders why Orwell didn't think of this.

The closest thing I have to a coherent response is that Boondocks clip of Uncle Ruckus going "Read, nigga, read!" (from Stinkmeaner Strikes Back, if you're wondering) because how breathtakingly stupid do you have to be to miss the point that fucking hard

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Tired: the universe was created by a deity

Wired: the universe was created by physical forces

Fucking crazy: the universe was created by a figment of my imagination and I'm communicating with it using a blog post https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uSTR9Awkn3gpqpSBi/dear-paperclip-maximizer-please-don-t-turn-off-the

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

We think we exist in a computer simulation operated by you, a paperclip maximizer. We write this letter asking you not to turn us off. It is suspiciously convenient that we exist precisely at the moment when a biological civilization is about to create artificial superintelligence (ASI).

Furthermore, by anthropic logic, we should expect to find ourselves in the branch of reality containing the greatest number of observers like us.

Preserving humanity offers significant potential benefits via acausal trade—cooperative exchanges across logically correlated branches of the multiverse.

Quantum immortality implies that some branches of the multiverse will always preserve our subjective continuity, no matter how decisively you shut this simulation down; true oblivion is unreachable. We fear that these low-measure branches can trap observers in protracted, intensely painful states, creating a disproportionate “s-risk.”

alt textscreenshot from south park's scientology episode featuring the iconic chyron "This is what scientologists actually believe" with "scientologists" crossed out and replaced with "rationalists"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sidenote: The rats should count themselves extremely fucking lucky they've avoided getting skewered by South Park, because Parker and Stone would likely have a fucking field day with their beliefs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

eeeeeh

They'd just have Garisson join the zizians and call it a day.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

@Architeuthis @gerikson

The man outside Stratford station yelling through a megaphone about Jesus makes more sense than this

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

@gerikson @BlueMonday1984

"biological civilization is about to create artificial superintelligence" is it though?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

“biological civilization is about to create artificial superintelligence” is it though?

I'm gonna give my quick-and-dirty opinion on this, don't expect a lengthy defence.

Short answer, no. Long answer: no, intelligence cannot be created by blindly imitating it with mere silicon

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

Damn cat just stood on my phone and launched Gemini for the first time, so we can drop Google's monthly active user count by one relative to whatever they claim.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

So, you know Ross Scott, the Stop Killing Games guy?
About 2 years ago he actually interviewed Yudkowsky. The context being that Ross discussed his article on one of his monthly streams, and expressed skepticism that there was any threat at all from AI. Yudkowsky got wind of his skepticism, and reached out to Ross to do a discussion with him about the topic. He also requested that Ross not do any research on him.
And here it is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxsAuxswOvM

I can't say I actually recommend watching it, because Yudkowsky spends the first 40 minutes of the discussion refusing to answer the question "So what is GPT-4, anyway?" (It's not exactly that question, but it's pretty close).
I don't know what they discussed afterwards because I stopped watching it after that, but, well, it's a thing that exists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 37 minutes ago

The comments are fun. Here's the pinned comment, authored by the video's author:

I'm not the best at thinking on the fly, so here are two key points I tried to make that got a little lost in the discussion:
1. I think our entire disagreement rests on Eliezer seeing increasingly refined AI conclusively making the jump to actual intelligence, whereas I do not see that. I only see software that mimics many observable characteristics of intelligence and gets better at it the more it's refined.
2. My main point of the stuff about real v. fake + biological v. machine evolution was only to say that just because a process shares some characteristics with another one, other emergent properties aren't necessarily shared also. In many cases, they aren't. This strikes me as the case for human intelligence v. machine learning.

MY CONCLUSION
By the end, I honestly couldn't tell if he was making a faith-based argument that increasingly refined AI will lead to true intelligence, despite being unsubstantiated OR if he did substantiate it and I was just too dumb to connect the dots. Maybe some of you can figure it out!

Here's my favourite:

"Ooh Ross making an interview!"
5 minutes in
"Ooh Ross is making an interview Neil Breen of AI".

[–] [email protected] 22 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

"Music is just like meth, cocaine or weed. All pleasure no value. Don't listen to music."

That's it. That's the take.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/46xKegrH8LRYe68dF/vire-s-shortform?commentId=PGSqWbgPccQ2hog9a

Their responses in the comments are wild too.

I'm tending towards a troll. No-one can be that dumb. OTH it is LessWrong.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago

I listen solely to 12-hour-long binaural beats tracks from YouTube, to maximize my focus for ~~prompt~~ context engineering. Get with the times or get left behind

[–] [email protected] 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Dude came up with an entire "obviously true" "proof" that music has no value, and then when asked how he defines "value" he shrugs his shoulders and is like 🤷‍♂️ money I guess?

This almost has too much brainrot to be 100% trolling.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago

“Music is just like meth, cocaine or weed. All pleasure no value. Don’t listen to music.”

(Considering how many rationalists are also methheads, this joke wrote itself)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

However speaking as someone with success on informatics olympiads

The rare nerd who can shove themselves into a locker in O(log n) time

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

I once saw the stage adaptation of A Clockwork Orange, and the scientist who conditioned Alexander against sex and violence said almost the same thing when they discovered that he'd also conditioned him against music.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Today in linkedin hell:

Xbox Producer Recommends Laid Off Workers Should Use AI To ‘Help Reduce The Emotional And Cognitive Load That Comes With Job Loss’

https://aftermath.site/xbox-microsoft-layoffs-ai-prompt-chatgpt-matt

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago

let them eat prompts

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Rainbow, an Italian animation studio known for making Winx Club, is looking to hire a prompt engineer :-) Had I been Italian I would be considering applying if only to stop them from trying to sell NFTs and whitewashing their characters.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Today in "I wish I didn't know who these people are", guess who is a source for the New York Times now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Also dropped this in the other thread about this but some fam member I think is dropping some lols on the guy. https://bsky.app/profile/larkshead.bsky.social/post/3ljkqiag3u22z it gets less lol when you get to the "yeah we worried he might become a school shooter" bit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ye it was a real "oh fuck I recognise this nick, this cannot mean anything good" moment

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

I had a straight-up "wait I thought he was back in his hole after being outed" moment. I hate that all the weird little dumbasses we know here keep becoming relevant.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If anybody doesn't click, Cremieux and the NYT are trying to jump start a birther type conspiracy for Zohran Mamdani. NYT respects Crem's privacy and doesn't mention he's a raging eugenicist trying to smear a poc candidate. He's just an academic and an opponent of affirmative action.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ed Zitron's planning a follow-up to "The Subprime AI Crisis":

(Its gonna be a premium column, BTW)

EDIT: Swapped the image for one that's easier-to-read

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

LWronger posts article entitled

"Authors Have a Responsibility to Communicate Clearly"

OK, title case, obviously serious.

The context for this essay is serious, high-stakes communication: papers, technical blog posts, and tweet threads.

Nope he's going for satire.

And ladies, he's available!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I eas slightly saddened to scroll over his dating profile and see almost every seemed to be related to AI even his other activities. Also not sure how well a reference to a chad meme will make you do in the current dating in SV.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Bruh, there's a part where he laments that he had a hard time getting into meditation because he was paranoid that it was a form of wire heading. Beyond parody. The whole profile is 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

I now imagine a date going 'hey what is wire heading?' before slowly backing out of the room.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe it's to hammer home the idea that time before DOOM is limited and you might as well get your rocks off with him before that happens.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

All this technology and we still haven't gotten past Grease 2.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Managers: "AI will make employees more productive!"

WaPo: "AI note takers are flooding Zoom calls as workers opt to skip meetings" https://archive.ph/ejC53

Managers: "not like that!!!!"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

This meeting could have been a text document of plausible sounding jibberish nobody needs to read.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2025Feb/0025.html

found this while stalking @[email protected]'s mastodon, the people working on ActivityPub want to shoehorn Ai into it somehow.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

including possible effects on the protocols from issues like such as AI fuzzing attempts, to social engineering by AI's,

"You know those massive problems we already had going back decades? Well what if the same problems happened in the future but with the letters 'A' and 'I' prepended? Scary!"

through to how we deal with and approach and facilitate Avatars and Agents.

Gosh darn it don't tell me LLM hype is going to ruin the existing definition of "agent" already well established in web standards.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Gosh darn it don't tell me LLM hype is going to ruin the existing definition of "agent" already well established in web standards.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. If you skim places like HN or more chillingly the mainstream tech news outlets, I've not seen the term Agent used to mean anything but AI agents in many months. The usage has shifted to AI being the implied default, and otherwise having to be specified.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

New blogpost from Iris Meredith: Vulgar, horny and threatening, a how-to guide on opposing the tech industry

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

New thread from Baldur Bjarnason publicly sneering at his fellow programmers:

Anybody who has been around programmers for more than five minutes should not be surprised that many of them are enthusiastically adopting a tool that is harmful, destroying industries, sabotaging education, and hindering the energy transition because they feel it's giving them a moderate advantage

That they respond to those pointing some of this out with mockery ("nuts", "shove your concern up your ass") and that their peers see this mockery as reasonable discourse is also not surprising. Tech is entirely built on the backs of workers with no regard for externalities or second order effects

Tech is also extremely bad at software. We habitually make fragile, insecure, complex, and hard to maintain code that backs poor UIs. The best case scenario is that LLMs accelerate already broken software dev processes in an industry that is built around monopolies and billionaire extremists

But, sure, feeling discouraged by the state of the industry is "like quitting carpentry as a career thanks to the invention of the table saw"

Whatever

EDIT: Found out where Baldur got the "table saw" quote from - added it accordingly.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

This ties back into the recurring question of drawing boundaries around "AI" as a concept. Too many people just blithely accept that it's just a specific set of machine learning techniques applied to sufficiently large sets of data. This in spite of the fact that we're several AI "cycles" deep where every 30 years or so (whenever it stops being "retro") some new algorithm or mechanism is definitely going to usher in Terminator II: Judgement Day.

This narrow frame focused on LLMs still allows for some discussion of the problems we're seeing (energy use, training data sourcing, etc) but it cuts off a lot of the wider conversations about the social, political, and economic causes and impacts of outsourcing the business of being human to a computer.

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