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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Fuck both, honestly. I can take pride in who I am, learn history, improve my community and defend it, without tying all of those values to a nation state that can and will inevitably at some point use it's centralized, hierarchical, border-delineated power to oppress and dominate and be exactly the thing I don't want.

I'm sick of these lib takes clinging desperately to values they never bothered to fully examine because of some misplaced nostalgia, national mythology, material privilege, etc.

💗 🌸 🤗 Death to America 😎 ❤️ 💋

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I don't like how people continue to use pepe to signify the right, I have literally never seen someone use pepe as a right wing hate symbol or whatever the fuck and even if they do I don't give a shit, pepe did nothing wrong.

"(Pepe) he currently remains one of the most popular memes in the world"

Free Pepe! The most popular meme in the world is not a hate symbol unless you want it to be one, and I say it defintely isn't.

"In an interview with Esquire, Furie (creator of pepe) said of Pepe's usage as a hate symbol, "It sucks, but I can't control it more than anyone can control frogs on the Internet".[39] Fantagraphics Books, Furie's publisher, issued a statement condemning the "illegal and repulsive appropriations of the character".[40] The Anti-Defamation League, an American organization opposed to antisemitism, included Pepe in its hate symbol database but wrote that most instances of Pepe were not used in a hate-related context." - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

The left wing is full of idiots who drown themselves in purity testing. I've seen so many morons who think that anything touched by any right wing person has to avoided like the plague otherwise you're right wing too. It's same mentality that 1st graders have about cooties. What makes this case particularly dumb is that Pepe, as well as Wojak, are meme templates made by the internet. That means they're owned by no one and they stand for nothing. They exist to portray specific emotions that people relate to, that's it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Pepe deserved better.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I 100% get where you're coming from.

At the same time, it only took one guy with one style of mustache that plenty of other people were using to ruin it for everyone else.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I can understand not wanting to cede a meme to right-wing whack jobs, but the idea that you've never seen it use that way is nuts. I mean you must be actively burying your head in the sand not to have seen it use that way. Cuz it happens a lot.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Patriotism is great because patriotism is about loving what a country stands for.

America no longer stands for freedom and justice for all. But anyone who loved those ideas before can still stand for them now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So if I read your comment correctly, everybody MAGA person is a real US partiot because your country stands for a corrupt, racist and predatory kleptocracy now. They sure love that.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (6 children)

But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I feel like all those traits from patriotism are on a venn with something else like internationalism/antipatriotism, like they can indeed be found in patriotism but are not at the heart of what it is. Like, technically, german, italian or japanese patriots fought alongside nazis. You can say your country can do better regardless of whether you support its existence or not. It's not necessary to learn from history to be a patriot, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Yikes. Is this from the "committee to save endangered ideologies"? Which think tank came up with this lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Patriotism is a MacGuffin -

It's a feeling.

Now, you may think I'm attempting to invalidate it, but far from it. From the revolutionary war up to present - what is a 'Patriot' has been poorly defined, and left to subjective interpretation.

Forget the gaslighting Republicans have been under since the Tea-Party. Let's go back, say thirty years, to the Family Values Coalition. Or perhaps another thirty years back to McCarthyism and the HUAC. Or even further back to Strom Thurman trying to legitimize the KKK. (or else we could just recognize that the family lines in control of the narrative now, are the slave-owner families of the South.)

-Make no doubt - They think they are 'Patriots'.

People will become bellicose about what a true 'patriot' is - I tell you, don't give two flying-f*cks..

Did Thomas Paine, and Paul Revere know the impact of their actions on those days? Of course not.

And that is the way it will be with this new history. It tends to be defined by the victors, by the way. Might wanna get off your ass...

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

It's the same picture

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Brazilian "patriots" bow to USA demands, so they're also dumb

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