Conservatism is the party of cowardice and hypocrisy. So expect nothing less from any of them.
this post was submitted on 17 Oct 2023
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This is great. The other day some magat kept trying to tell me that Trump and all Republican leaders engineering a way to stop a valid election had an equivalent for Democrats because some nobody professor in Pennsylvania said that Hillary appeared to have been cheated out of her win in 2016
And that nobody professor probably has more evidence. If nothing else, the electoral college split from the popular vote.
Hah, true enough. If he spent 4 minutes digging into what happened that's more than the entire republican Senate and Congress combined
The dems are not left wing, not even a little bit.
It's the best we've got. I mean, what, do you want us to refer to them as the mild right and the super right?
Edit: meant to ask this to the person that responded to you, but it works here as well I suppose.
Yeah saying "the left" in regard to Democrats is the cringiest shit. "Left" would be people like Bernie Sanders or AOC (even though most "leftist" US politicians like them aren't actually left on the world stage, in most of the developed world they'd just be center or center-right)
I was once asked to point out a moderate republican so they could vote for them, as if Biden wasn’t already on the ballot
Left vs Right is always a relative term... Etymologically it refers to the physical left-right split of parliamentary seats an hemicycle, from progressive to conservative in most (all?) of Western parliamentary tradition.
If members of a group/party always sit on the left side of the hemicycle, that party is, by definition, left wing. Sure, the same party in Belgium might sit on the other side, but that's hardly relevant in a local context, because that party doesn't vote in Belgian elections now does it? (And thank god for that, we've got our own insanity to deal with).
Now of course this linear classification has very obvious limitations and cannot possibly describe the entire nuance of each party (or even person)'s politics. But saying "literally everybody except maybe ten people I agree with are on on the other side of the center" robs the left/right distinction of all meaning it still holds. Placing the center "just right of my personal politics" will not make the conservatives magically go away, it just makes political analysis less meaningful because everybody's got their own idea of the center now rather than using the median congressperson as a handy reference point.
oh boo fucking hoo. keep pointing fingers at the 'other guy'. neither side takes responsibility for the shit shows they produce. stop voting for the big two.
Everything Democrats accuse Republicans of is true.
Everything Republicans accuse Democrats of is true.
Biden is bad.
Trump was bad.
Obama was bad.
Bush was bad.
Clinton was bad.
"At least he did X" is not the right thing to focus on.
"But Y was/would have been worse" is not the right thing to focus on.
We call this the false equivalence fallacy. If Bob tripped me, and Mike murdered my wife, kids, and 8 EMTs, then Bob and Mike are not just as bad because "they both did bad things".
Of course not, but that's not what Bob and Mike did. Bob and Mike are nearly indistinguishable in terms of military spending, conducting wars abroad, allowing our economy to be plundered, and generally doing jack shit to help ordinary American citizens who are suffering worse and worse as a result.
So yeah. Every single one of them did very bad things, and any differences you can point out are not nearly substantial enough to make any of them worth defending.
Okay, end metaphor since you're not incapable of logic, you're just ill-informed.
Democrats have always supported net neutrality. Republicans have not. Democrats have worked to invent ways of protecting the climate. Republicans actively oppose it. Democrats support bodily autonomy, and letting pregnant women do whatever they'd like to their own bodies. While base abortion rights are a debate, Republicans have blocked abortions even to mothers that required them to survive a miscarriage. Democrats have shown support for BLM, an organization that forces attention on racial inequity in the justice system. And, they're in support of student loan forgiveness - among other programs to further American education, a necessity to keep our job force competent (and help people make better decisions in elections).
So no, I do not agree they're the same, even when the individual things you listed may be true.