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Relaxed section for discussion and debate that doesn't fit anywhere else. Whether it's advice, how your week is going, a link that's at the back of your mind, or something like that, it can likely go here.


Subcommunities on Beehaw:


This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

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(Reminder: if you have shared the original version in a public post with an old version up, replacing it with this one might be more helpful.)

I want to preface, if you see a mistake in the image or have something helpful to add, go right ahead! I still have the layered files for this, so edits can be made very quickly. I chose to handwrite the text to avoid font copyright infringement.

Feel free to share this poster as you wish, especially on Reddit. All I ask is that you respect the license and don’t remove my socials at the bottom. If anyone’s addition is included, I’ll credit them, and if this gets added onto (or translated) by someone else later, they can add their info as well.

I hope someone can find it useful with the subreddit blackouts right around the corner.

I want to thank the Beehaw admins so much for their amazing work!

(Poster edited; I spotted a duplicated word, [email protected] noted the lack of whitespace; current version is slightly larger and has been spaced out. You can still request the 800x2000 size, but know it is a little squished.)

(Edit 2: Removed defederation part as it’s not really required. The email analogy [email protected] suggested has been added, thanks!)

(Edit 3: Here’s another version making the interconnectivity a bit clearer and mentioning some cool-looking reader apps that have been suggested! Also made the image slightly longer for ease of viewing. I might do some small cosmetic changes tomorrow)

(Edit 4 is here with the date updated towards the bottom. This version contains a reminder to verify your email, lets people know why mlem isn’t showing up on App Store searches, and added fedia.io to Kbin instances. Some colors have been changed slightly to be more mobile friendly, as this is written and edited from a phone tablet. If you have a hard time reading this because of the changes, please let me know. Thank you all for the help and tips!)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I like this style! Kind of reminds me of a whiteboard. It’s neat!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Thank you so much!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Important note for kbin (and fedia.io): if you sign up and fail to click that confirmation link, I think you're basically SOL. So don't make the same mistake I made! Click that confirmation link, it expires in an hour!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Really like it, sadly I don't think the people I'd share it with would be willing to read through it. I'll try with word of mouth for now and use this as a backup.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Alright so this seems a good a place as any to ask dumb questions... This almost feels like the 90's and using the internet for the first time 🤣

So, I'm viewing this post on lemmy.world, but the content itself is from beehaw.org, simple enough. What happens if beehaw.org is unavailable, let's say permanently shut down, right now? Is the past content still available on other instances or does it just poof? Could I still view this post one day, week, month, year after a shut down? Could I still comment? The image itself I see is hosted directly on the beehaw instance so that obviously depends on a stable instance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

If an instance shuts down, they're supposed to send a "self destruct" notice to all other instances to delete their content, but technically speaking, instances do not have to listen to these notices. Thus, it's possible that deleted or unavailable content still remains available on some platforms.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm having a hard time figuring out how to subscribe to a community from another instance. I know I need a link to the community (not sure what this looks like as the one I thought I'd found didn't work) and a search bar to paste it in, which I found once on jerboa I think but not again. Is there a more detailed guide for subscribing to another instance's community?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

You should just be able to search for the community using jerboas search. Example: I searched "technology" and it gave me back a handful of different communities from different instances all with "technology" in the name. Then you should be able to just tap the one you want and hit subscribe.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is there a list of kbin instances? The one from kbin.pub seems to be incomplete.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wouldn't bother with the concept of de-federation in a beginners guide. One of the most confusing bits of the fediverse to new users is picking a server. For most users, the one they pick doesn't really matter, but talking about defederation makes it sound like a really important choice.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jerboa has a not very user-friendly interface. Maybe I'm not used to it, but the feed updates jerkily, everything works with a slight lag.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You could mention that Fedia.io is an alternative to kbin.social, as kbin.social is starting to get overwhelmed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks for letting me know!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You're telling me that i could have just.. logged in with my mastodon account? How does that work? (i know its beyond the scope of the guide but i want to try)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

lemmy, kbin and mastodon are federated but you can't log into each app with an account from another platform. You can post to lemmy from your mastodon server, but not log into beehaw.org.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

@[email protected] @unsunny Ok i figured it out. It's a bit clunky, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE! I didn't even know! Now to see if i can view this on lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

What a great infographic, thank you!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So, is kbin a lemmy instance? If so, how do I log in over there? I'm registered here on beehaw, so how do I access/vote on kbin content?

gotta say, as a somewhat technically-inclined person, I don't like this fediverse stuff.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

@[email protected] @[email protected] kbin isn't a lemmy instance, it's a lemmy "competitor"

kbin is a software you can install on your server just like you can install lemmy, or mastodon, or pixelfed, etc...

if you want to interact with a post/profile/community/... on another instance, the usual way is to just take the link to the post, and paste it into your instance's search bar. this'll bring up the post in your instance where you're logged in!

that's what i just did with your comment: i don't use either lemmy or kbin on my instance, but i saw your comment on beehaw, so i copied the link, pasted it in my akkoma search bar, and was able to reply to the post, even though my instance doesn't even have support for user groups/communities

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

all the weirdly specific cat subreddits if I don´t have a my r/catloaf idk what I'm going to do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Learned lot of things, quite new into the fediverse. Is there an equivalent Community like the r/coolguides, that would be the perfect place

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"You can use a mastodon account to use lemmy"

What do you mean?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

@marsxyz
@unsunny
You can view and even comment on lemmy/kbin posts from mastodon, like I'm doing right now

It's not as good a way to view forum based content though imho

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

join the same communities together

Let me make sure I have this right:

  • there are separate Lemmy instances
  • I can chat with other people from other instances (like email)

If I wanted to join the same communities as a friend, do I need to sign up for another instance or do communities 'live' on multiple instances? For instance, a community on 'cats.' If there is one on {instance1} and {instance2}. They aren't the same, right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

There are some duplicate communities (e.g. cats@instance1 and cats@instance2 to use your example) but you can subscribe to and interact with either/both communities without leaving your chosen instance - you don't need to make multiple accounts.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Related question for all you experts: if I have an account on both (for example) lemmy.ml and lemmy.world, what is effectively the difference between them if I can view content from any federated instance?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The difference is just that you log on using two different sites. They can access the same federated content. Just read the rules of both instances and see if you prefer one or the other.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

AFAIK, the difference is mostly in the performance, moderation, and peering of each instance.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I see, so...

  • If the instance my account is on is down or slow, I may not be able to log in.
  • Only moderators from my account's server can take action against me? This seems... potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I'm a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?
  • Could you elaborate on peering? Does that refer to which Fediverse apps a Lemmy instance can communicate with?
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm new to this as well, so this is all AFAIK, don't take it as gospel, please correct me readers, etc.

If the instance my account is on is down or slow, I may not be able to log in.

Correct. Your account is tied to your local instance. Unlike mastodon there is currently no way to transfer accounts between instances.

Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me? This seems… potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I’m a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?

Moderators of communities can delete your posts or ban you from their community. I'm not sure if remote admins can easily ban you from their entire instance.

Remote admins can definitely decide to de-federate your local instance if you and a bunch of peers are being bad trolly spambots.

Could you elaborate on peering? Does that refer to which Fediverse apps a Lemmy instance can communicate with?

Yes. Click "instances" at the bottom of this page to see which instances beehaw federates with. You'll note there are a couple banned instances due to issues with their content or moderation.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

@[email protected] @1993_[email protected]

Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me?

as someone running a fediverse instance: not really... I can "ban" you from my instance, so that people from my instance can't see your post/follow you/interact with you, or delete specific posts from you, so that they don't show up on my instance. but i can't completely remove your account: anyone from any other instance can still see your account and follow you.

if i believe you did something really wrong and should be banned, i'd contact your instance's admin to take actions against you. if they don't comply and i believe it's causing too much issue, i can mute or "defederate" your instance. muting means posts from your instance won't be visible to people on my instance unless they specifically look up your account by name, and defederation makes it so that my instance pretends yours doesn't exist, and will refuse to lookup anyone from your instance, or let anyone from your instance follow some of my instance's people and so on!

hope this helps :3

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me? This seems… potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I’m a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?

They can stop you from accessing their instance, afaik.

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