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    [–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    what if you didn't even want to, but god still says so

    [–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

    This is before you ever see the desktop. You HAVE to do it. It's part of the Windows installation now.

    [–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I did a fresh install of 11 recently and it took heckin forever after restrating like twice and doing lots of "setup"

    It was a great processor and on a decent ssd, so i do think they've just increased how long the setup takes

    [–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Oldest developer trick in the book. Program in a bunch of useless delays everywhere. On the next few updates, slowly remove them and say you are "improving" the system.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

    Just use windows 10 in a vm

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    If our planning is anything to go by: easily half an hour longer than 10, if you do a manual install.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install

    Only want to run Linux as your primary operating system? If you are good with a slightly more complicated install process and don't need access to Windows tools (like Outlook, Teams, Word, PowerPoint, etc), you can run Linux on bare metal to access the full potential of your hardware without any overhead from virtualization or emulation.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

    They know they cannot stop those determined. So they worded some parts to try to make it sound like "it will inconvenience you and Linux is hard" so that people are like "Ok, I will not do it if it is hard".

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Funny, but did you manage to install it on a way too old pc or are you using hdd as System drive?

    Because it just seems to install as normal, but slowly.

    I mean Linux may take the same time if you install sth like popos which ads a lot of "bloat"

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    This is on an M.2 with a i7-10870H and a 3080M. I installed Windows some days ago on my main Desktop and didn't have to deal with any of that. It must be a new "feature".

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Well then I wonder what the fuck Windows is doing? Running crypto miners?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

    Would you put it past Microsoft?

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

    When I had to reinstall Windows 11 on a laptop at work with an 11th Gen i7 it took a good 30+ minutes of it faffing about between finishing the setup wizard and reaching the deskfop and when I to installed PopOS on a much older laptop with a 6th Gen i7 it took less than 5 minutes to perform the install

    [–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Pop took like 5 min on my old crappy m.2

    [–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There’s no such thing as an old crappy m.2. That format is way too new to be called old and crappy. Ide hdds are old and crappy, some sata are old and crappy, m.2 is not even old and certainly not crappy

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    There are definitely crappy M.2 drives. Drives with no cache, slow nand, slow processors, and awful TBW. They’ll be light years faster than a hard drive, but if they fail in a year then are they not crappy?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Sure there are. It's several years old and was low spec already then. You know the timeline of m.2 seemingly so you should be aware what old and crappy means in the context of m.2's age.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There's a world of difference between SATA and NVMe.

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    And neither are old or crappy. Any m.2 format drive does not deserve to be called either. That just reeks of entitlement to consider any m.2 bad, just sounds like a kid that never used anything actually bad

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    M.2 can be anything, from the crappiest SATA to the best NVME money can buy

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

    Any modern SATA SSD will still nearly max out the bus in sequential writes, delivering sequential performance ~3x that of a spinning disk and random performance, even for the cheapest of drives, at >100x a disk.

    Installing windows is not generally going to be enough to fill the drive write buffer, and even if it does, they're still going to be comparable to spinning rust. This is a problem that affects low quality (not necessarily cheap) drives, both SATA and NVME.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

    The last 30 minutes of peace until chaos and disorder.

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

    Installing Debian took like 5 mins, doing all the configuration and stuff.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ayyy, another Greek, hello there!πŸ˜„

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

    Is there a gathering for Greeks? Count me in!!!

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ένα φρέντο σκέτο φιλαράκι

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    God is doing you a favor :^)

    [–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)