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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The neoliberal mantra:

Yeah, we're shit. But what are you going to do, vote Republican?

In real life some of those people just won't vote. I'll never understand why the blame isn't put on the candidate for low voter turnout.

It just sucks neoliberals have shown time and time again that they're fine ignoring anyone to the left of them because they feel entitled to their votes. Even tho it's clearly not been working for decades.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (11 children)

…yeah, I’m sure Trump will have your back…

Exactly. I'm sure they're pissed at Biden for his position on Israel. Justifiably. But Trump already has a track record of being bigoted when it comes to Muslims and already talks about oppressing them, so this seems like cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it’s just shitty they have to choose between their families getting attacked in the Middle East and their families getting attacked in America.

What a terrible system of government.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree with you 100%, but that's the reality of the situation. We should have anything but FPTP voting in this country so people like American Muslims don't have to make faustian bargains, but I hope they realize they do have to make that bargain if they wish to retain their rights.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

That’s the neat part about this system: Even if they do vote there’s a decent chance Biden still loses and they lose their rights anyway.

This entire world is fucked.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree with you 100%, but that’s the reality of the situation.

It's great that voters have to adapt to politicians instead of the other way around.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I never even implied it was great. Reality is often not great. It's still reality and the reality is it's going to be either Trump or Biden barring Trump not being allowed on ballots. So they only have two choices and not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. That sucks, but that's just how it is going to work in 2024. Nothing is going to change in terms of U.S. elections over the next year and to expect that is a folly.

The reality is that American Muslims are not going to like who is president regardless. I hope they think about who is less likely to oppress them and that isn't Trump.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We absolutely do not “have to.” This is the slightly less overtly fascist party daring us to find someone better. We absolutely can.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, are Democrats going to adapt to this reality?

Or are they gonna demand enthusiastic support regardless of their behavior and start blaming people they already regarded with withering contempt when that doesn't work?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm not sure why you're asking me as if I control them.

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[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"At least we voted our conscience on Gaza" ~ Muslim Americans as they get dragged off to the MAGA reeducation camps.

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then you completely understand why voting for a 3rd party is not a realistic option for change at the national level and only serves to siphon votes from your chosen party and actively works against the causes you claim to want to promote.

By all means, vote 3rd party in the general, I've done it more than once during contentious elections. I'm not your dad and I'm not looking to convince you of who to vote for, but I'm not going to stay silent when people act like there's no downside to holding their ideals in the face of reality.

[–] books@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's be fair. With the Electoral college it doesn't matter, unless you happen to live in a handful of states.

Otherwise, in Minnesota and In Idaho you can vote for whomever the fuck you want since your vote matters as much as a fart on a roller coaster.

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[–] Grabbels@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, the glory that is bipartisan democracy.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not surprised at all. Biden has been awful with his Israel stance and I honestly can't judge anyone that won't put their vote on him for that.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Whether you think he's been "awful" or not, I'm sure there are at least as many who would now consider voting for Biden on the other side of the issue.

You win some, you lose some.

[–] nyar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Did you read the article?

" in multiple battleground states that Biden won with thin margins last time, a growing chorus of community leaders say his handling of the war in Gaza and Islamophobia at home jeopardize his path to victory in the Electoral College, with many Muslim American and Arab American voters saying they plan to either stay home next November, vote for a write-in or a third-party presidential candidate, or simply leave the top of the ticket blank."

Not voting for Biden isn't the same as voting for Trump. If it was, then not voting for Trump would mean that they were defacto voting for Biden.

Votes are earned, otherwise people are just hostages. If Biden, and Democrats at large, care about their votes, they'll earn them.

[–] Wodge@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (8 children)

In a 2 party system, not voting for a party that does not rely on voter suppression, is giving a vote to a party that does.

Conservatism needs disenfranchised votes, they always benefit from lower voter turn out.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Yes, I read the article before posting it...

And, yes, in a 2-party, winner-take-all system, not voting is the same as voting for Trump.

On election day, I think most Muslims know that not voting or voting for Trump or any other Republican is directly against their interests.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Horse race garbage.

Place yer bets! Place yer bets! 5-to-2! Polls incoming!

. . . Garbage media. 22 paragraphs, most were one sentence. Another insult to democracy.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“The sad thing about it is those who truly care about democracy did this to themselves by their mismanagement of this issue,” Alzayat said of Biden, with whom he met last week as part of a small group of Muslim American leaders invited to the White House.

And while Muslims are a tiny minority of the overall U.S. population — about half the number of American Jews — they happen to make up a large enough proportion of several battleground states to be at least theoretically capable of swinging an election, were they to pull support from Biden en masse.

Religion Census, run by a consortium of religious institutions and other nonprofit groups, estimated that there were 110,00 Muslim adherents in Arizona total, including people ineligible to vote because they are too young or not citizens.

Wassim Malas, executive director of the Wisconsin Muslim Civic Alliance, said many in his community feel that Biden has failed to recognize the humanity of Palestinian civilians and advocate for their plight as much as he has for Israeli citizens killed in the Oct. 7 terror attack.

Biden’s remarks in an Oval Office address this month urging Israel “not to be blinded by rage” and telling Muslim Americans, “I see you" and "you belong” were helpful, Malas said, noting that the White House seems to be moving in a better direction.

In Minnesota, local Muslim leaders held a press conference Friday setting a deadline of noon Tuesday for Biden to call for a full cease-fire in Gaza or lose their support.


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