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[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They want to "persuade" them to not use cheap open RISC-V cores.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

RISC-V is inevitable. ARM would do well to start building IP on the architecture before they're left in the dust by SiFive and friends.

Like, right now the best RISC-V cores are already faster than the A72 core on the Pi 4. A few years before and these same companies were only competing for the microcontroller market.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

The Raspberry Pico M0 is almost as power efficient as the ARM Blackpill M4, some other RISC-V processors fall behind in that department but it's almost always a trade-off with speed. I must say the ARM's system on a chip walled garden philosophy is met with a lot of apprehension from me, especially in past examples like Mac products and Smart TVs where users sometimes resorted to building custom chip mounts and testing random inputs just to be able to eventually change firmware. Can't say I'm a fan of the company or happy about this development.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Interesting. In the latest Amp Hour Podcast Episode about RPi, Chris Gammell asked about the ARM-Connection and if there are any ideas about going the RISC way one day. James Adams and Liam Fraser answered very diplomatic (like "good Architecture, exciting, but we know arm and their benefits too well"). I guess there is now no open path anymore for RPi ever going down that road.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hilarious. Money corrupts all. Next up, an organization that wants to take the original Raspberry Pi’s goal and extend that open model to all parts of a computer system including the hardware. IMO, whoever wants to spend the up-front money to take over that role is going to get very, very rich.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Pine64 is basically this.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Bah, there's so many RPi clones and offshoots now I wonder if they can even survive the coming market. Especially when RISC-V SBC's are becoming more common.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It will all boil down to software/os support

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Its slowly happening. ExplainingComputers has had good results using a RISC-V SBC.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This. I buy RPi because it's the cheapest/lowest-power-consumption computer where you can get actual good support and good guides online on how to solve common problems with it, not because it's the best bang-for-buck. I think about the weird-ass problems I had with my RPis and I'd hate to deal with that crap without access to the amount of help online you get with a Pi.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

RISC-V SBC's are indeed becoming more common but they aren't quite here for the consumer end, not atleast yet. Cool simple video about it: https://youtu.be/RhPKZ5JpbHw

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

They are not much cheaper though. Often they're even more expensive than a Pi with similar specs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

If you want a slice of this pie, it’s going to cost you an arm and a leg.