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[–] Mechaguana@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was checking for counter examples and then I understood why this was upvoted

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you find any counter example please let us know.

Pretty sure some people would find it interesting.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Let me try: to narrow down a bit, we take a subset of uneven numbers. We know that almost all prime numbers are even so lets pick prime numbers at random and see what happens:

5+7=12 (even)

3+11=14 (even)

13+9=22 (even)

2+2=4 (even)

I'm out of ideas but maybe someone can take this approach and land somewhere.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Species 8472 has three legs. Three is an odd number. Four would be an odd number of legs for a member of Species 8472 to have. Three plus four is seven, which is odd (2x3+1). Two odd numbers can therefore add to an odd number.

[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Quick Proof: Let k be an even number, then (k +1) is odd.

(k +1) + (k+1) = k + 1 + k + 1 = 2k + 2 which will be even.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's if you add two of the same odd number. The more general proof is basically the same though: let n and m be integers, then 2n+1 and 2m+1 are odd. (2n+1) + (2m+1) = 2n + 2m + 2 = 2(n+m+1) which will be even.

[–] Pfnic@feddit.ch 5 points 1 year ago

This is why I failed at uni. I'm struggling so hard to make sense of such proofs, even if I understand the underlying concepts.. :(

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or you can just like, understand that an odd number is one more than an even number so if you add them together it's two more than an even number, hence even.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago

Definitely, that's how I'd explain it in words

[–] lemmyseikai@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Which is the layman's terms of the proof... I don't get what your goal is.

Is it a building block for learning to read mathematical works? Yes, of course it is. Is this a ridiculous formalized statement? Yes, of course it is. But that's the point. We need to practice the trivial to build the scaffolding to tackle the exceptional.

I am not wont to draw conclusions with minimal evidence, but your post seems like you are a malicious reductionist that may be suffering from Dunning Kruger syndrome. I apologize in advance if I have miscategorized you based on this limited sample.

Edit: I am never happy with my formatting.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just wanted to show you don't need any mathematics to understand why this is true.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The proof is exactly the same though.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

never said it isn't

[–] lemmyseikai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To confirm, you are asserting that the foundation for your answer (mathematical reasoning) does not require any mathematics to understand why it is true.

It's very dangerous to take a reductionist approach and not be aware of the baked in assumptions you are using. For example, the terms even and odd (for this problem) are well defined as concepts for integers. Which means that your hand-wave statement is true as a result of definitions that were likely created to ensure this property held true.

The notion that "I don't need math to understand why this is true" is like saying "I made an observation on a phenomenon and I don't need science to know it's true." Which, as you are hopefully aware, is again reductionist and leads to a huge distrust of science from the science illiterate.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

I don't understand what you are trying to say. I just wanted to provide an easier way to reason why it is true, so that people who don't do math as much as you do could also see the logic behind it. I don't see how an easy to understand reasoning can be a bad thing?

[–] Snoopey@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yess this made my morning, thank you. BITCH!!

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Always has been