De-federate from instances with loli : main

[–] Supermariofan67@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Please do not. Although I don't personally want to see lolicon stuff, many of the servers willing to host it have communities I want to interact with. For instance, burggit.moe is where the touhou communities went and is otherwise a pretty nice instance aside from loli communities.

It is content which, while understandably offensive to some, harms nobody. All fictional porn, no matter how deviant it is, is ultimately more ethical than real porn can be.

It should be up to users to block or hide instances with content they don't wish to see, and defederation should be reserved for communities that consistently cause interference, not for communities that simply have content which one disagrees with.

[–] theory@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago

This

[–] CookieJarObserver@burggit.moe 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah its a pretty nice experience on burggit other than the one or two loli communitys (that everyone can easily block for themselves)

[–] eta_aquarid@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

why are all of the touhou communites on there

like, that's weird; there's tons of lemmy instances that they could have been on, and kbin has a (very inactive) community as well

onto the point:

All fictional porn, no matter how deviant it is, is ultimately more ethical than real porn can be.

This may be true, but you can't blame many users for being really turned off by it; like I think it'd be perfectly acceptable if most people don't want to interact with an instance hosting that.

If you don't like that, then you might have to move to another instance tbh

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[+] PigglyWiggly@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

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[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 1 points 2 years ago

It should be up to instance admins to decide, since they are ultimately responsible for the things that are hosted/accessible on their server.

I for one would not want to be effectively distributing any porn or loli stuff on my server, so I'll be defederating from instances that are entirely that.

[–] Finnagain@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Loli stuff is illegal though, at least in the United States. Viewing even accidentally can be considered a crime. The OP has a valid point.

[–] Velkas@lemmy.cock.social 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Why not just leave it up to users on user by user basis? Are we already trying to regulate stuff on this platform? Block stuff if you don't like it, ignore if not. I'm by no means for loli personally, but that's going to start a snowball of overstepping and pretty soon it'll be like R where everything is locked, deleted, blocked, or hidden.

If it's not illegal, ignore it.

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[–] MorksEgg@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Isn't that the point of decentralization allowing users to pick and choose what they want to see? If you don't want to see Loli all you have to do is block the server from your feed. I'm not a fan of Hentaiof any of its subs. But I digress, I'm not on your server so I guess I don't really have a say. 😁

[–] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

No need to defederate. I just went and blocked loli and related communities that popped up. I will never see them again.

So, my vote is NAY.

[–] Mkengine@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

How exactly do I do that?

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Federation is still young.

It may be easy to individually block communities now but what about in a few months/years when there are potentially 10x more communities across 10x more instances?

How intimidating would it be for a new user to have to go through 100+ communities and block them all individually instead of just blocking 5-10 instances?

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Would you say the same about a gore community?

[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would block gore communities on a personal level, but there's no need to do so on a server level unless they're doing something worth defederating for, like any of the following:

posting cp
using their server to DoS/DDoS others
dox-ing people
allowing their users to harass others AND refusing to punish such behavior
same as above except for ban evasion

I'd like to have a force-nsfw option for communities that don't enforce proper usage of the NSFW tag, but for now I'd have to block them most likely.

[–] frankyboi@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

I like watching gore.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Personally, I'm fine with a NSFW tag, and would hope that NSFW instances respect other instances enough to properly tag stuff.

Any instance with a gore community? Nah, screw that noise. Add it to the block list.

[–] ShadowAether@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Tbh I think an instance not enforcing tagging content as nsfw is probably very strong grounds for blocking imo

[–] CookieJarObserver@burggit.moe 2 points 2 years ago

Just block the communitys you don't want to see.

[–] Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

For the sake of argument I’ll approach this from a different perspective than everyone else.

Depending on jurisdiction there might be implications in hosting an instance that is federated with instances that host loli. I’m not familiar enough with Canada’s laws and / or le Code Civil du Québec to know if it is considered CSAM, but assuming it is does federating with those communities replicate the media on this instance as well? Would this count as ‘redistributing it’?

[–] frankyboi@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Canada laws on CSAM are very strict. even written fictional text are considered csam by law definition. And yes, a known horror novel writer has been charged for csam production in a fiction book. he's been acquitted tho, fortunately. But that raise an alarm that tell us that cops can arrest you for pretty much anything . If you sculpt a loli into ficello string cheese , that enter the definition of CP in Canada.

there is a part of definition saying: "and other visual representation " which is very vague and broad .

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-163.1.html

[–] StarNyte@burggit.moe 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am biased in this situation, but I just think leaving it to the individual to block specific communities is better than blocking an entire instance for every user.

[–] CookieJarObserver@burggit.moe 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah blocking a whole instance because they allow something like that is definitely way over the top of a reaction.

[–] hardypart@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What is loli?

[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Drawings of fictional, usually underaged, characters; typically but not always from anime/manga.

[–] Martineski@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Underage anime girl

[–] birdmancaw@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

That's not true. It's a petite anime girl, not underage. People keep trying to conflate the two. It's weird because even if they have big boobs and are obviously legal people still try to shove them into the title of being underage. (like the petite sensei, Uzaki, and Hestia from Is it Wrong to Pick up Girls in a Dungeon).

[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that's oppai loli

[–] birdmancaw@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Loli is still literally in the name. Twitter freaks still try to cancel it.

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[–] starrox@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I dont think defederation is the way to go here. It could be another scenario that could be solve elegantly via a tagging system.

But I agree that stuff which is in a legal grey area or outright forbidden in many countries should not show per default on All. There already is a NSFW setting that you can activate and deactivate (this btw can solve the issue to 99% for you right now if you're willing to pass on other NSFW content).

There could be an additional setting to see things that "might be illegal in your country of residence" or simply NSFL. If you then mark such communities appropriatly it could solve the issue for people that want a) no exposure and b) no legal risk due to being shown such communities. And I count myself among those that dont want anything to do with loli or the likes.

[–] Oinks@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Users viewing illegal content is one thing but instance owners hosting it is also an issue.

I might be wrong about how content mirroring on Lemmy works but I'd imagine instance owners would clearly be liable for "publishing" any illegal content hosted on their instance.

There's not really a way out of this using tags. And the moderation log probably needs to be purged from the actually offending content as well. And in the specific case of CP (which can include loli depending on the jurisdiction) having the content in a database might also be illegal.

So that's a whole headache...

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

No content from other instances are hosted here. When you see an image from a community on another instance, what you're seeing is an embedded image linked from the other instance.

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