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Can we get a consensus on whether our community should de-federate with servers that host loli? I personally think we should block them, and if that ends up not being the consensus here then I'll probably sign up on another server. I hope we can all agree to set that boundary though because I like it here and it seems otherwise pretty cool.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Im afraid to ask, but what is loli? Definitely don’t feel like looking it up if people are that put off by it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hentai of underage persons. A lot of the time they'll try to pretend it's not by dressing it in a fantasy or scifi setting but that's what it essentially is. I personally see it as cp

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

So pedo cartoons?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Child porn but with drawing

Depending where you live, it can be "still be legal" because no kid were raped, or illegal. So I am 100% sure blocking the whole instance hosting child-porn. I don't want to get in trouble with the law for watching the front-page. More important, I don't want hear that lemmy is used by pedophile to exchange child-porn

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Absolutely block instances hosting illegal content - the way federation works means copies / caches of content can end up on this server? Or even if that’s not how lemmy does it, it risks using this server to facilitate the spread of something incredibly harmful & damaging.

As far as I’m concerned there’s no argument for allowing / normalising content produced which quite literally ruins peoples lives.

Edit: Even stuff that’s purely cartoonish in nature for me is just grim, and I don’t want to be a part of a community which supports it.

Edit2: If a server can block a specific community posting CSAM then maybe that's a better solution than blocking the underlying infrastructure. If that's not possible, I think defederation is the only real way to deal it, as frustrating as that would be for legitimate users.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'd like that shit gone too. I understand not wanting to close ourselves off too much but I think things like avoiding groups that are ok with shit like loli is a no brainer.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Agreed, its a big precedent to set blocking off a whole server but its ok in this extreme of a case.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To everyone saying just block the communities:

  1. I don't want to have to block communities. In order to know I need to block a community, I have to see content which I feel is worth blocking. That's fine for most cases but in this case that is not fine (to me personally).

  2. I don't necessarily want to associate or interact with people who are fine having a server with loli as their home server. Not to be mean about it but that's just how I feel flat out.

I think this is an instance where de-federation is the correct course of action.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd like a feature for user specific defederation of communities as you've mentioned. Not sure it is possible though.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Another vote for blocking but not de-federating. De-federating is a nuclear option with a lot of collateral damage, and it's pretty easy nowadays to just start screaming "pedophile" if your goal is to cause collateral damage. I'm worried that if instances start defederating in a knee-jerk reaction, it will be weaponized.

Just block it.

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