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[–] Bye@lemmy.world 147 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Taiwan is not part of China

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

China is part of Taiwan.

Or more precisely, PRC is rebelled provinces of China.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

West Taiwan

[–] FuglyTheBear@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hello from Taiwan, while your heart's in the right place this meme actually plays into China's hands as it fits their one-china narrative. Taiwan considers itself an independent nation and hopes the wider international community will begin treating it as such.

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[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Not even Taiwan says that though. ;)

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[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 119 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh man Hexbear would be so pissed if they could read.

[–] folivora@lemmy.cafe 101 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taiwan can use VPN (not restricted) and not against the law. Just saying.

[–] crystal@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Against Taiwanese law. Taiwan is an independent nation and its liberty is non-negotiable.

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ok, calm down a bit. Even the Taiwanese do not claim to be independent. Their official stance is that they are just a rival government of China - aka Republic of China. For all the sabre-rattling, Taiwan is very much willing to negotiate with Bejing.

I do hope that, as much of Taiwanese public seemingly wants, Taiwan becomes an independent island nation, but we are still far off from that, at least in de jure sense.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Who the fuck cares about official claims? I guess the war in Ukraine is about denazifying since that's the official statement :)

Realistically though, official claims are diplomatic UN roleplay and actions are what matters; the US states that Taiwan is not independent but arms the absolute cock out of what they claim is ch*na.

[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I didn't say China's official claims, but Taiwans. We shouldn't push them into positions they are not ready to take, since its their necks on the line...

If they ever declare indeoendence, we should stand with them.

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[–] itsnotits@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

against whose* law

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Weird, it’s almost like they all have something in common…

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago

Tankies hate this one weird trick

[–] yokonzo@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thank god this list isn’t any larger, it’s amazing more governments haven’t tried to ban this tool that ensures people’s freedoms

[–] Knusper@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Thing is, a VPN isn't just some magic tool that lets you view location-restricted content and hides your IP address. It's a relatively basic networking concept.

Essentially, it allows you to connect two or more local networks, i.e. LANs, as if they were one big LAN.
In particular, that means no firewalls in the way, no weird NAT behaviour, no need to deal with public IP addresses and so on.
And it secures the whole communication with encryption + implements a form of authentication, so that you can leave the individual services within the VPN relatively unsecured (assuming you don't separately expose them outside the LAN/VPN).

Or more concretely, my dayjob uses a VPN for the whole home office thing. And I've used VPNs plenty times just as a networking tool in my software developer job. Prohibiting the entire concept of VPNs makes many software solutions impossible or annoying to build, and will cause folks to expose insecure services to the internet.

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[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just to make it clear, the VPN restriction in Turkey is not enforced, nor hindered. Of course it was put in place as a form of restriction against people's protest organization via Twitter back in 2013 during the Gezi Park protests, but it is not enforced (at least widely, if at all). Even the leading opposition party has an official support for a VPN under their name.

Nevertheless, as far as the map's intent goes, it is an indicator of a dictatorship.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Pictures of playing cards on websites get entire subnets blocked for gambling in Turkey, so I'm surprised to learn they don't enforce rules against VPNs.

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The same list as countries that you should never step your foot on

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hey look, it's the bad guys!

EDIT: Not sure why OP downvoted me unless he's a bootlicking authoritarian piece of shit.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US doesn't ban VPNs - and it's a worse "bad guy" than all of those countries put together.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Textbook example of moral confusion.

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[–] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Uzbekistan restricts too...

[–] Staiden@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does well does Tor work in those countries?

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[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What do businesses do with remote offices/workers?

[–] loxdogs@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

you can't use VPN were endpoint is used read censored materials. If it's within the country, than OK

[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't speak for most of these places but I'm pretty doubtful in general.

I have no idea what it means for VPNs to be restricted in Turkey for example.. I use them almost every day. Personal, self hosted, commercial, corporate... Both using them while I'm in Turkey to get information from the outside and when I'm outside trying to get information from the inside.

I've never had any issue using them. Like literally ever.

[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

https://protonvpn.com/blog/are-vpns-illegal/

In 2016, the Erdogan regime began blocking VPN services and Tor. Now Turkey is using deep packet inspection techniques, similar to China, to detect and block VPN and Tor traffic. 

The use of a VPN connection in Turkey can also mark you out as a person of interest for law enforcement. Despite this, VPN usage in Turkey is quite widespread. 

The website Turkey Blocks monitors internet censorship in Turkey.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

you copy pasted this from reddit

it had no sources

it is wrong

you are a very bad person

no one on Lemmy is disputing this map

you are all also bad

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[–] anarchist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago
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