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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow. Moving someone to another location and then suddenly firing them for "communication standards?" Unless there's some highly compelling evidence to indicate otherwise, it's pretty clear cut what happened here. I guess they calculate it's better to pay a fine for a wrongful dismissal than to have a supervisor that is sympathetic to workers.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a society, we should ensure everyone that goes through something like this ends up a millionaire who never has to work again.

That'll motivate workers to unionize more than anything else we could possibly do.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Want to fix this? It'll take a) jail time, and b) asset seizure.

Corporate structure deliberate distributes responsibility for things like this such that:

  • It's very hard to find one person to blame, let alone prove malfeasance.
  • If by some chance you do find a smoking gun, the fine for doing so is usually less than the profit of the transgression

If, eg, Howard Schultz and his direct-reports faced fines and/or jail time directly, and those fines were orders of magnitude the harms of the action, then you'd see some of this stop.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I would offer that we hit the entire corporate/franchise structure with a % of revenue fine. That shit will get fixed real quick.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In this region of Canada, at least, the maximum penalty for wrongful dismissal is ... Standard severance.

Source: a dear friend launched a successful human-rights complaint against a very deep-pocketed employer who blatantly violated clear medical orders and then fired him when he objected. Like, 100% dead-to-rights on a claim with no normal upper limit. Except here it maxes out at a pittance.

Maybe there too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on lawyer and time at employer. in Canada you can get severance pay + termination pay + closing pay

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd think so.

He thought for sure.

His lawyer strongly suggested it.

Nope.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Need a better lawyer because you aren't fully terminated till you sign the agreement. Had two friends deal with it. Company thought they would just do standard termination pay, lawyer got one person that plus severance for senior position and years, plus they owed an agreed upon closing pay for ending employment. They other person got every hour of pay they ever worked past their original signed salary weekly hours. Company thought theyd give a few weeks termination, ended up costing them half a years salary in OT

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Let each person rise and fall according the merits of their work and quality of their duties. No person is entitled to anything. Even respect has to be earned and prove why anyone should treat someone with dignity and honour.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Let each ~~person~~ business rise and fall according the merits of their work and quality of their duties. No ~~person~~ business is entitled to anything. Even respect has to be earned.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Are you just saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" with more words?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

You’re a real idiot bud. Each person is entitled to a good life.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

If employers can merge and negotiate collectively, so can workers. And if you're unswayed by that argument, remember that their right to free association lets them negotiate collectively regardless of what you think about it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Let each person rise and fall according the merits of their work and quality of their duties

Fine, sure. 100% inheritance tax, coming right up.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

What does this even mean in this context? Part of our communication standards at work is that a critique must include concrete examples.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Okay shitwit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have never been in a starbucks so I cannot actually boycott them, I will however continue to not go there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Support independent coffee shops.