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[–] [email protected] 202 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I want shorter games with worse graphics made by people who are paid more to work less and I'm not kidding.

This thing is a scam, and you're all being taken for chumps. The only worse fraud than SC is buying Fatalities on Mortal Kombat.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There is this tiny company called Nihon Falcom. They make this game series called Trails that I adore. they have like three programmers work on each entry.

In the time since Star Citizen was announced they have released:

  • The Legend of Nayuta: Boundless Trails 2012
  • Ys: Memories of Celceta 2012
  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel 2013
  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel II 2014
  • Tokyo Xanadu 2015
  • Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana 2016
  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel III
  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV
  • Ys IX: Monstrum Nox 2019
  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails into Reverie
  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails Through Daybreak
  • The Legend of Heroes: Trails Through Daybreak II
  • Ys X: Nordics

as well as a bunch of ports of older games to modern platforms and localizing them to the west. All of these are worth playing and some of these were GOTY material for me.

Its good to quantify how much time has passed, and how much you can get done with a smaller budget and focused scope.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you play indie games? They seem to be exactly what you're describing.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's now a season bundle. But it was $10 per fatality x 3. One for Halloween, one for Thanksgiving, and one for Christmas. That was a total of $30 for a whole minute of cut-scenes. They successfully Overton it, apologized and now it's $10 for the three scenes. But yeah, now buying Fatalities is a thing, look forward for your Easter Fatality edition and an extra Bunny skin version for only $4.99.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

don't judge until you've seen the dynamic cloth physics! that is what everyone wants, right?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

I’ve been part of some amateur game dev projects and SC has the vibe of an amateur project where the devs are constantly focusing on whatever catches their fancy at the moment, going back and tinkering with things they’ve already made, and sort of aimlessly scope creeping. There’s nobody to strongarm them into writing, much less following a game design document.

All of that is intuitive to me to understand.

Then there is “the dream” that is being sold to people who want this type of game. That level of very specific fandom is also easy to understand, at least from a distance. People get super into all kinds of games and spend outsized amounts of money and time.

Star Citizen is like the perfect storm of these elements.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I have a friend who is obsessed with it. I asked him if it was a money laundering scheme. He agreed its the most likely situation.

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[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Wait, people are still dumping money into this?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It'll release ANY DAY NOW. -The idiots that keep giving RSI money

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It released years and years ago. You realize that, right? That it’s playable… and people like it?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

how dare you come to our echo chamber with your "facts", we need to repeat the clickbait headlines and nothing else!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think it has turned into a sunk cost fallacy for so many now. They put so much money into it they can't afford for it to fail/not continue.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 years ago (10 children)

After a decade and an astronomical amount of money spent, this thing is still in pre-alpha. People have left school, got married, have kids, played and forgotten No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous, and now Starfield, and there is still no Star Citizen.

It's time to accept that Star Citizen will NEVER be released, because what Chris Roberts is selling is "dream as a service" which can be anything you want it to be, and one that never has to end for as long as the "game" is still in development.

The moment an actual product is released is the moment the flow of money will stop.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I once saw a comment on a SC update video from a guy who claimed to have backed up SC as a teenager, went to college, entered the industry, was part of a team from start to shipping a video game. twice, and still SC is in pre-alpha. He said that now as a veteran of the industry he realizes that SC is a scam. Like, 99% of the stuff they hyped as their envelope breaking new tech for video games, has already been done by dozens of games at a fraction of the cost.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 years ago (3 children)

As a day 1 backer i would like to offer my sincerest apologies.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is just like EVE Online for me - I am more interested in reading about the drama than the actual game itself.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I dont have the energy to care about this game, just like I dont have the energy to care about George RR Martin or Patrick Rothfuss never finishing their products either.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Writers, no matter how good, are just regular people. I have much higher expectations and not as much patience towards a game studio with infinite money and no released games whatsoever in over a decade.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Star Citizen is only available on a single platform too. At least Cyberpunk was multiplatform.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

How the fuck are people still falling for this scam? Oh right, half of our country worships a braindead cheeto blob. edit: Damn so many trump simps in the thread. "omg everything politik" yeah welcome to fucking lemmy

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The people who are playing Star Citizen are not the same people who are voting for Trump...weird comparison to attempt.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

not really. the essence is people are stupid and that's the reason behind supporting trump or throwing money at star citizen

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago

Scam Citizen still hustlin

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I am not proud to say I was an original backer, but luckily only for like 25 bucks.

It became clear after a year or two it was vaporware. even if a product ever comes out it'll not be what I backed originally, which was Privateer TNG. So I stopped following the game, never played any of the tech demo's and just shake my head warily when I see news articles like this. Bernie Madoff is in jail for basically the same thing. How can people still support this travesty.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I finally tried this game and holy shit is it terrible. The UI is janky and unintuitive. The movement is slow and stiff or sonic on crack and nothing in-between. The frame rate is terrible even on a decent machine with appropriate settings. Just overall a bad experience. I don't care if it's still "In development" get your fundamentals right before you go adding more shit.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Stop giving these scam artists money.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

JFC, I guess there's a lot of suckers in the world

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think I've reached the point where no one will be able to convince me that Star Citizen is not a money laundering front.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn’t Star Citizen that grift game?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

No, you're cosplaying a patron to leonardo davinci working on his magnum opus. To be unveiled any day now.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I really confused by all this hate. Has anyone here actually tried to play the actual game? It's pretty damn impressive what they have now.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

I'm not confused at all, timelines are forever moving goalposts, and each major "milestone" is really just a tech demo addition with no cohesive product. You can walk around spaceships, get auto generated quests, or get in some pvp where the person who bought the best ship wins.

The underlying promises have been continually missed with constant deflection that amounts to "hey look at this shiny thing we just did".

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I'm sure it is, but they lost me almost a decade ago when I paid for "alpha access" made dozens of bug reports, put a hundred hours into a broken game, signed up at least ten other people, and then lost alpha access because I wasn't enough of an influencer.

All I wanted to do was play a buggy fucking game and give them free (professional) QA and they instead decided to restrict access to a bunch of extra exclusive PTU alpha influencers. That's the second I decided to not give them any more money or free labor.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

It’s still alpha. 11 years after I threw $100 their way.

Some people may be happy to play buggy alpha builds as they trickle out, I want to see a finished game without the perpetual feature creep.

We haven’t even seen Squadron 42 which was supposed to be out in 2014.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Star Citizen players and Escape from Tarkov players. Both think their game will be finished before they are copied/cloned by a faster/better studio.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

What exactly is this game trying to be?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

It seems a lot of people haven't played it. It's quite playable and has less bugs than the average new AAA game.

It's currently got 4 planets, each with 3 or more moons, and many stations that can be visited. 6+ game loops and around 30 flyable ships.

Yeah people spend way too much real money on it, but 90% of the fly read ships are purchasable in the game. At least give the damn game a shot before you shit on it. The community is super nice and willing to help new comers.

Edit: Not sure why everyone is so upset. This is my experience and every argument I've seen against sc is about bugs or spending real money on ships. Let people enjoy the games they want without getting so mad cause someone likes a game you don't.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I literally can't play this game, my PC has 16GB of RAM and it runs out of free memory after like 10 minutes and crashes to desktop. When your "fix" is to just buy more RAM or increase your page file size, then your game is a fucking scam. I understand new games require more powerful hardware, but this is Amazon lumberyard ffs.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

it's a huge success story for Star Citizen. I htink they are delighting the dreams of people who want to travel and work in space, but know they can never afford to really do so. Bethesda's Starfield is a sort of attempt to do Star Citizen, but it's just not as gritty and realistic as Star Citizen.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

With the amount some folk have spent on Star Citizen I think they actually could afford to explore space in real life

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