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[–] nimbledaemon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to afford a good life, full stop.

[–] seeCseas@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

it's only common sense, right? apparently not.

[–] vercimusart@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same way minimum wage means “we’d pay you less if we could”

[–] seeCseas@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"this is the aboslutely minimum we can get away with".

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] MrFlamey@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Nobody deserves poverty, and nobody doing something that is necessary should be being paid so low that they can't afford to live.

I often hear stories about teachers in financial trouble. It's just completely mind-boggling that teachers in some places are unable to pay rent due to low pay, high rent and lack of school funding making them feel like they must buy their own supplies. I thought school teacher was a respected profession, and it's certainly necessary.

[–] dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

its more like, if people would stop settling for wages below what you need to survive, then businesses wouldn't be able to function without paying a living wage. but there is always someone willing to do the work for less so they get away with it. imagine a world where restaurants and farms were forced to employ fully waged employees, the entire country would cease to function.

[–] pineapplefriedrice@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Businesses can adapt for the most part, they're just not quite there yet, but they will be in 10 years. Raising wages to $30/hour tomorrow would only accelerate that. The real long term fix isn't raising the minimum wage, it's making those workers valuable enough that they WILL be paid $30/hour, minimum wage or not, because they bring value to the table. That also pays huge dividends for society.

The real answer to the wage issue is in things like coding bootcamps, and Khan Academy. It's what people have in their brains.

[–] noita@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This assumes that there's an infinite supply of well paying jobs that are freely accessible to everyone, but that's not how reality works. If the options are "work for shit pay" or "don't work at all and starve" then people will choose the shit job. It's why market economies aim for a few percents unemployment(and why places like the US really don't want to forgive student debt) because people need to be desperate for whatever job they can get to keep wages low.

A much better way to solve it is just to legislate that if you work a fulltime job you have to be paid a livable wage.

[–] darkwing_duck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So in essence you just want to ban employers from being able to offer poverty wages.

Doesn't that mean even more people would be out of a job as the jobs paying poverty wages disappear? They won't pay more, they're way more likely to close up shop.

[–] ParanoidAndr0id@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm trying to be optimistic that I'll see a 4 day work week in the US in my lifetime.

[–] pineapplefriedrice@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Work won't be by the hour in 20 years. It'll be more gig-based, online, and independent. "Four days" will probably lose meaning by then.